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Old 04-01-2006, 03:38 AM   #41
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Steve, you're the Wizard. No one disagrees with you...
Dsprik, I'm a very ordinary guy. There are people here with far more experience than I have, with far more knowledge. I just have the most posts. You and anyone else should never ever be concerned about disagreeing with me. I am just as prone to mistakes as everyone else. Maybe more so. Just as soon as anyone becomes afraid to disagree with me, the value of this forum declines. And none of us want that. So disagree away!
 
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Old 04-01-2006, 04:15 AM   #42
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Dean,
I have a 2005 3400 RL and pull it with a 2002 GMC 2500 HD Duramax/Allison. On my last trip to the scales for a three week bluegrass music excursion my weights on the truck/rig were as follows:
Front axile 4300 lbs
Rear axile with pin weight 5500 lbs
Dual Montana axiles 10,300 lbs

This was with a full tank of diesel, wife in the front seat, and trailer loaded out for three weeks. (those two banjos and guitar weigh alot). I had upgraded my tires to LT 265-75R 16 which are rated at 3415 lbs each at 80 psi. Which gives me a load capcity on the back axile of 6830 versus 6084 with the stock LT 245-75R 16s. My truck without the trailer, on the same exact scales, weighed 4160 on front axile and 3040 on the real axile. So my pin weight is actually 2460 lbs loaded out versus the 1770 lbs (empty)in the Montana brochure.
Door stickers on the truck indicate a GVWR of 9,200; GAWR FRT of 4670; GAWR RR of 6084. My truck weighs 7200 lbs with a full tank of diesel and me in it. My GVWR of the truck with the Montana attached is 9800 lbs (over by 600 lbs) Since my truck only had a little over 40,000 miles on it when I traded fifthwheels, I could not afford to trade trucks. So, like one of the earlier writers indicated, I'm taking my chances on the 600 lbs over on the truck GVWR, being satisfied that I'm under the maximum rear axile capacity, with either set of tires. I don't like being over GVWR, but I'm OK every where else on the specifications including GCWR of 20,100 versus approved 22,000 for GCWR for the Duramax/Allison GMC.
Don't know if this helps or not, but it is some other data to put into your decision making process.
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Old 04-01-2006, 05:49 AM   #43
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Dave, having never had to deal with such a scenerio, and hope that I never do, and before my coffee this early AM, here are some thoughts.

CAT Scales, we drive over them so we know what we weigh. Well, some of us do. We weigh our truck with the tanks full, mom and dad and kiddies or pups or what ever, loaded. Then we go hook up Montana and on the way to some wonderful destination, we again stop at the CAT scales, after we fill the fuel tanks, and with mom and dad and kiddies or pups loaded same as when we did our weighing solo. Ya know, they give you a little slip of paper when they weigh ya, what are you gonna do with yours? Save it for future insurance/legal problems?? Maybe????

OKKKK, now, at some time Mr. and Mrs. Camper have a bad accident. Will the agents weigh the unit?? Who knows, but, if the accident is gonna cost them mega bucks, they very well may consider this. SOOOOOOO, are there places to take scrap metal to be weighed?? Me thinks so.

Now, I am gonna go get that coffee, not sure if this post helps, confuses, or maybe is just way off base.
Excellent idea, Carol! What a simple personal protection plan! I think you will be the next "Wizard".

Steve, part of being a "Wizard" is genuine modesty. You have done nothing to shake our faith in you. But I understand what you are saying.
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Old 04-01-2006, 06:26 AM   #44
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Nope, no wizard here! I have some books to write and finish formating, and I spend a bit too much time here now!
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Old 04-02-2006, 07:39 AM   #45
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Banjo Dave, good information. I'm glad you got it weighed. I highly recommend everyone do that. It sure was an eye opener for me. These things weigh far more than we realize. Trucks, too.

By the way, I'd bet your pinweight is actually 2600, not 2460. The weighings showed that with the Montana onboard the front axle was carrying 140 more pounds. That probably comes from the pinweight. Quite often a part of the pinweight goes onto the front axle. Or, if the hitch is slightly aft of axle center it may lighten the load on the front axle and you have to deduct the difference from the additional rear axle load to get pinweight. If the hitch is properly mounted then the front axle load will be slightly higher or no change. You probably knew all that already. Mine must be slighly aft as the pinweight slighly lightens load on the front axle.
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Old 04-04-2006, 05:25 PM   #46
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Good Evening All,

I have been absent for a while, but just finished reading this entire thread - and glad that we have all come to about the same conclusion as other similar threads.

The 3/4 and 1 tons will pull the load, but the 3/4 tons will likely be 400 - 600 lbs over their GVWR, and close to their maximum GRAWR.

Since I just spent all my money on the new 3400, I'll just have to wait a little while longer before I get a bit stouter TV. Hope nothing breaks before, and that I can keep the shiney side up.

And to make the matter worse, I'm installing a rear hitch to the 5ver tomorrow - but that's another story. Pictures later.
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Old 04-04-2006, 08:33 PM   #47
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Rickfox, you're probably correct in many cases. But don't forget my GVWR on my 3/4 ton is 10,000 and many of the 1 tons out there are 9900 or less. Some are more but many are not. GVWR and payload is where the dually shines.
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Old 04-04-2006, 09:16 PM   #48
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Thanks for all the valuable input provided by all of you. We put our deposit down on a late 2006 Keystone Montana 3400RL last Monday morning. Take delivery May 19th. Really looking forward to it. Thanks again to all of you.
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Old 04-05-2006, 10:37 AM   #49
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Congratulations, Dean A Van Peursem! That's a beautiful and very popular model. Many years of enjoyment to you.
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:19 AM   #50
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the 05 and later fords have 10000 gvw for 250 and 11000 for 350 srw options. the Chevy's and dodges don't if crew cabs figure on 8000 lbs tow adults and full fuel on fords my 3500 srw Chevy is 7600 with wife and I and full fuel gvw is 9900 on mine with my 3475 hooked up and loaded am at 9750 gvw on truck. so you can see except with the fords and there option for higher gvw way to easy to overload. I called my insurance guy and he said the same if over weight insurance will not pay.

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Old 04-10-2006, 07:32 AM   #51
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the dry weight of my 3475 had a acual 1300 pin weight my 03 ford 250 was little under 8000 two adults full fuel and 5th wheel hitch leave payload of 800 pounds full the 3475 had pin load of just over 2000 my 3500 chevy is 7550 loaded same as the ford was. so to be safe get the 11200 f350 srw if dually scares you. I have to watch the weight closely.
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:41 AM   #52
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Ken, I am reading that the F-350 Powerstroke SRW is 11,200 GVWR and the 3500 GM D/A SRW is only 9,900 GVWR. Is that right? Does anyone know what the GVWRs are before 2003?
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:47 AM   #53
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actually they could just take the weights off the stickers of the trailer. the (pin weight) which we all know it weights more but just take what keystone says and you can see your over if you have sc or cc (payload) so with those they can make a case as it is published info.
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:55 AM   #54
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ford 8800 chevy hd 9200 bye the way new chevy 2500 are still 9200 and 3500 srw are 9900 still
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:57 AM   #55
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Dave the fords have boss tow option to get the higher weight Chevy and dodges still stuck with the lower weight limits
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Old 04-10-2006, 09:46 AM   #56
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Both my 2001 Ford F350 and my 2003 Ford F350 had GVWR of 9900 and GCWR of 20,000. My 2005 F250 has GVWR of 10,000 and GCWR of 23,000. All three are single rear wheel. The main difference is a much heavier and stronger frame in the 2005 and newer and larger brakes (thus the 17" wheels being the standard size on both the F250 and F350).

Keham, those heavier weights are, I believe, without the Tow Boss option. The Tow Boss option on the F350 dually 4x2 powerstroke takes GVWR to 13,000 and GCWR to 26,000, and fifthwheel tow rating to 19,200. I don't think this option is available on the single rear wheel but I may be wrong. It also requires the 4.30 axle.
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Old 04-10-2006, 01:14 PM   #57
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Steve I was under impression that is what got you from 9900 to 11200 for the 350 srw maybe saying it wrong but a 350 srw can be either 9900 or 11200 its a option. anyway ford I believe is only one in srw that can handle the Monty"s with out worries. considering the pin weights. wish the chevy/gmc did that. srw fit in my garge duelly's don't
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:57 PM   #58
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My Montana does not have pinweight on any sticker anywhere. I have never seen a fifthwheel with this information although some may exist. The Montana's have this info in the brochure. It's not even on the inside sticker, at least on this 2003 and our prior 2001. So they can't get it from stickers.

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