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Old 11-18-2018, 07:28 PM   #1
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Maiden Voyage Tow Issue

Took our 2019 3700LK out for a maiden voyage for a couple nights outside of Truckee, CA. Yes, it was cold! On our off day, took the F250 into town for a day of strolling and eating in downtown Truckee. On the way, we heard a loud "plink" from the back end. Pulled over, didn't see anything. Back on the road, nothing felt different. Fast forward to the next day - hitched up the 3700LK, and pulling over some small grades into Truckee, heading west, the truck did not have any power to tow. Had to find a place to leave the Monty, unload the food and some clothes, and head over Donner Summit without the load. Took it to the Ford Dealer in Auburn, and it turned out the turbo aftercooler line had detached. The "plink" that we heard was the clamp coming apart. Fixed that day, plus all the regular maintenance that was due, and went off to Truckee to pick up our Monty. It was fine - no freeze damage from the 14 degree overnight. (Afterthought - should have drained the tank and lines.) Auburn Ford did a fantastic job, and I highly recommend them if you are in town!
Oh, bottom line is they assured me that towing did NOT cause this problem - it was "just its time!"
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Old 11-18-2018, 07:51 PM   #2
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Common problem. The OEM hoses are famous for that. Get a good set of aftermarket hoses and just as important clamps. Either change your truck to the aftermarket hoses or at least keep them with you. What happened to your OEM hoses they got oil soaked and they are silicone. When they oil soaked the oil leaches under the clamps and will not stay on. Wait until you are pulling 35 to 40 pounds of boost and one blows off you will think a shotgun went off under the hood. Take an extra pair of shorts with you. You will need them.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:45 PM   #3
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I know this will not help with your issue, but your trailer is WAY to heavy (at 16400lbs GVWR) to be towing with ANY 3/4 2500 truck. INHO you are clearly in Dually territory. Pin weight alone could be 3280+lbs.
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:34 PM   #4
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I know this will not help with your issue, but your trailer is WAY to heavy (at 16400lbs GVWR) to be towing with ANY 3/4 2500 truck. INHO you are clearly in Dually territory. Pin weight alone could be 3280+lbs.
Thank you, Beeje. I checked and re-checked the Ford towing specs for this F-250, and it seems like this trailer is within the towing specs (although just barely). Should I be looking at something else? The dealer was also very clear that they would not sell me a trailer that I could not pull with my truck. There were other trailers that I looked at that were certainly out of range, and therefore were excluded from consideration.
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:37 PM   #5
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I know this will not help with your issue, but your trailer is WAY to heavy (at 16400lbs GVWR) to be towing with ANY 3/4 2500 truck. INHO you are clearly in Dually territory. Pin weight alone could be 3280+lbs.

My thoughts exactly. For what it's worth.
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:43 PM   #6
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Ed it’s the hoses. Your OEM hoses are junk after they get oil soaked. They can’t be fixed. Like I said before get a good set of aftermarket hoses double clamp all of them you can. That is the only thing that will solve the problem permanently. Look on Aarons Diesel or some other web site.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:08 PM   #7
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[QUOTE=mlh;1124744]Ed it’s the hoses. Your OEM hoses are junk after they get oil soaked. They can’t be fixed. Like I said before get a good set of aftermarket hoses double clamp all of them you can. That is the only thing that will solve the problem permanently. Look on Aarons Diesel or some other web site.
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Agree we had all the OEM hoses and clamps replaced very early on in our 2008 F-350 Diesel . The OEM's had not failed but there were plenty of post on this and other forums to convince me that they would.We are now at well over 100 k of trouble free Miles.
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Old 11-25-2018, 11:06 PM   #8
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I had the experience like mlh said - BAM shotgun sound under the hood. I think the service place just put on new/better clamps with the same hose. So from what was posted, I may be looking at another problem in the future??? Guess I may need to look into the hose replacement.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:26 AM   #9
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Has Ram had any problems with there turbo hose clamps. And yes F250 is way to light for these heavy Montana's. I'm at 3480 pounds hitch weight not counting the air-bag hitch.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:51 AM   #10
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Glad you got your truck fixed. I had a hose come off my truck. For some reason there is a metal band around one end of the hose and a clamp around the other. The hose came off from the band side. So I went to the dealer to get a stock hose clamp. $40 for a clamp. LOL should be fine now. I wasn't even towing.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:27 AM   #11
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What happens is the OEM hoses are nice soft silicone rubber they get oil soaked from a tiny bit of oil mist in the turbo system. When that happens the oil works itself under the clamps all 8 of them. Then the nice soft hoses move a tiny bit and slowly work their way from under the clamp. The factory uses nice soft hoses to keep the engine vibrations from the truck.
All the OEM hoses are the same or all the ones I have seen are. All turbo engines are susceptible. Some have more problems than others depending on how much pressure the turbo produces. The 6.4 Ford is probably the worst. Pressure can go up to near 40 PSI.
I wouldn’t leave home pulling my camper without an extra set of hoses and clamps. When a hose comes loose you generally loose a clamp to. All that escaping air blows the clamp away.
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Thank you, Beeje. I checked and re-checked the Ford towing specs for this F-250, and it seems like this trailer is within the towing specs (although just barely). Should I be looking at something else? The dealer was also very clear that they would not sell me a trailer that I could not pull with my truck. There were other trailers that I looked at that were certainly out of range, and therefore were excluded from consideration.
They said you "could" pull it....they did not say without problems.
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:02 PM   #13
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Ed c, Yes you should be way more concerned with the trucks payload and or rear tire capacity. Almost any newer diesel truck will be rated to tow the weight. But an f250/2500 truck lacks the payload capacity to do so.

Just as an example: I just camped with a friend who has a 2016 f-250 diesel/crew cab/short bed truck. He mentioned that he was looking at a grand design tow hauler. We walked over to his truck and looked at the drivers door yellow sticker that said 2087lbs cargo capacity.

The cargo capacity must include the pin weight of the camper/driver and passengers weight/fuel/and anything that is put it the truck or the bed of the truck.

Example; 17000lb camper at 20% pin weight=3400lbs+ ?
Driver and 3 passengers=600 lbs + ?
fire wood/generator etc. in truck bed=750 lbs + ?
=4750lbs
As you can see, more than double the cargo capacity of the f-250

My 2014 GMC duallys yellow sticker says 4950 lbs.
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[QUOTE=beeje;1124863]...you should be way more concerned with the trucks payload and or rear tire capacity. Almost any newer diesel truck will be rated to tow the weight. But an f250/2500 truck lacks the payload capacity to do so....

Exactly. These diesels will "Pull" anything, but the 250/2500 cannot handle the pin weight. Check the Tire and Loading Information sticker on the driver's side door post. It will give you the max weight you can carry not to exceed GVWR.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:14 PM   #15
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Ed, Congrats on your new FW and the maiden voyage. I guess we all have heard and some have experienced the turbo hoses. I just got a service advisory on my brand new Duramax to have the turbo “pipe”connection looked at. Ugh! Thank you for sharing your experience, and hopefully someone will learn on your behalf. You might have to overlook the “Weight Police” changing your subject matter, it’s normal.
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-First off, I do not consider myself as the weight police at all.
-And you are correct, I did change the topic (but felt compelled to for good reason)
-Many of us INCLUDING MYSELF will occasionally tow a few hundred lbs over.
-There is a vast difference in a few hundred lbs VS 3000lbs over weight.
-Those of you that knowingly tow WAY overweight and choose to bury you head in the sand and pretend that you are not, put everyone on the road with you in potential danger.
-The facts are the facts and if you choose to ignore them I guess there is nothing I or anyone can do about that.

Now back on subject;

I have had 4 Duramax trucks.
None of which have had any turbo hose blow off issues.
I only know of one that has had this issue and it was an 2008 ? ford 6.0

My Trucks
New -2002 2500 cc SRW 4x2 Traded at 195k (Had utility body to haul tools around)
Used (20k) -2005 3500 cc dually 4x4 Traded at 100k (Had larger utility body)
Used (25k) -2011 3500 cc SRW Traded at 40k ( No more need for utility body, needed tow fifth wheel, Not enough truck)
Used (24k) -2014 3500 cc Dually (current truck)

IMHO we are all here to help and learn from each other and sometimes an off topic response is necessary.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:36 PM   #17
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Like I said the 6.4 Ford is probably the worst offender. The 2008 is a 6.4. The first 6 L were bad about that too as they had common radiator hose clamps instead of turbo clamps. I had one that blew off and at that time Ford had no fix for it. I made my own clamps in my machine shop. They didn’t come off again.
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Exactly. These diesels will "Pull" anything, but the 250/2500 cannot handle the pin weight. Check the Tire and Loading Information sticker on the driver's side door post. It will give you the max weight you can carry not to exceed GVWR.[/QUOTE]

On some of the newer trucks you can be withn the weight specs and still be overloading the tires. I had to go to a DRW for just that reason.
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Some years ago I had a turbo boost problem going through the Truckee area. I made it over the Donner Pass towing and to the campground in Grass Valley. Auburn Ford pulled out all the stops to get the turbo rebuilt and get me back on the road within the two days I planned to be in the area. Got a rental car to get around and in the end, all turned out OK. Agree, Auburn Ford did a great job.
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Ed, I'm a Ford fan for life however, that is not enough Ford for that unit. I totally disagree with the dealers thought and agree with beejee. I would not tow any Montana (other than High Country) with a 3/4 ton.
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