About those DRW vs. SRW arguments

[twindman]

There are many cons to DRW but the only plus I can figure is the blowout possibility and perhaps better stopping with the extra 2 tires on the ground. First comment I will make is: "What is the pin weight on some of these rigs?" The new 3500 Chevy has a gvwr of 13000. My SRW weighs 8000 fully loaded 2500 with no rig. So that would give me 5000# for pin weight. So the need for DRW for weight is a moot point.
The other comment is for those pointing out those of us risking lives, etc by driving a SRW truck. If safety is such a big concern for you, then why aren't you driving those semi cabs to tow??? Same argument can be made for them.
I have other reasons for SRW. I picked chevy because it was 6/12 inches short than ford/ram and will fit in my garage!! Also it is hard enough to park a SRW at the mall and I wouldn't want to try a DRW!
I know I have changed no minds, but that's what is so great about this country -we can all do and think what we want (unless we hurt someone else).

[BiggarView]

Originally Posted by twindman

There are many cons to DRW but the only plus I can figure is the blowout possibility and perhaps better stopping with the extra 2 tires on the ground. First comment I will make is: "What is the pin weight on some of these rigs?" The new 3500 Chevy has a gvwr of 13000. My SRW weighs 8000 fully loaded 2500 with no rig. So that would give me 5000# for pin weight. So the need for DRW for weight is a moot point.
The other comment is for those pointing out those of us risking lives, etc by driving a SRW truck. If safety is such a big concern for you, then why aren't you driving those semi cabs to tow??? Same argument can be made for them.
I have other reasons for SRW. I picked chevy because it was 6/12 inches short than ford/ram and will fit in my garage!! Also it is hard enough to park a SRW at the mall and I wouldn't want to try a DRW!
I know I have changed no minds, but that's what is so great about this country -we can all do and think what we want (unless we hurt someone else).

I'm confused... are you saying that because a 3500 Chevy has a 13000 GVWR (and is a DRW BTW) that your 2500 SRW which weighs 8000 loaded w/o trailer can carry a 5000 lb pin load????? No way!!!! 2500 has a GVWR of ~9500 lbs and if you are all in at 8000 lbs then you only have 1500 lbs of remaining payload for the pin weight. FAIL!!!

[jeffba]

How many folks advocating SRW or DRW have actually taken their loaded rig to the scales?

Were you overwieght?

[mtlakejim]

Originally Posted by jeffba

How many folks advocating SRW or DRW have actually taken their loaded rig to the scales?

Were you overwieght?

To be honest I haven’t actually weighed mine as no scales handy. I did get with a knowledgeable friend and reviewed the weights on paper. Gra But the main reason I like the dually isn’t the tow capacity, it is the additional stability of the wide stance and the better loaded stopping power of two additional tires. Like I keep preaching there is a difference in the handling/stability/loaded braking of a dually. And I take exception with anyone who says there is not. I know what I experienced first hand.

[dfb]

Originally Posted by jeffba

How many folks advocating SRW or DRW have actually taken their loaded rig to the scales?

Were you overwieght?

I have taken my 2015 and this monty to the scales.. truck was a 3500 4x4 megacab... srw aisin, 3:42s.. gvwr on truck was 12300.... we were overweight by over 300 lbs.. tow rating was 16750,,, trailer weight ready to go was 13000.... the pin weight pushed us over.
Weighed our 2017 3500 dually with monty yesterday. Gvwr of truck 14000 lbs...rear axle 9750, tow rating is 30,000 lbs. weight IS ALL WITHIN LIMITS..
TRUCK FITS INTO MY garage.. srw mega pulled fine, stability Was fine. However, Ram, ( who is god) rated srw . We were over... period.. its NOT a personal choice. It is what it is..
EITHER you are pulling within weight ratings, or you're not..So yes, we were over weight and remedied it with another truck.
If you must have a SRW TRUCK, and you are overweight, you need a smaller rv... its not a choice. It is what it is..

[packnrat]

as long as you are not overwighht.
every tire tracks true.
no tire damage.
have correct air pressure.
and run only qualty tires.
one should never have a blow out.
but as stated on another posting i will be buying a "new" truck. it will be based on tow cap.
cab-number of tires-bed length-etc.
not included in this choise.

[powerhaulic]

I have,

combined 24040#

front axle 4869#
rear axle 6900#

trailer 15420#
pin 3140#
truck 8620#
Since then I have removed 250# of pin/truck weight


I was just a bit over on the tires, 250# each, now 125# each that will be corrected when i put the first set of tires on.
But i keep an eye on tire pressure when pulling, and do tire inspection (truck & trailer) at each fuel or pee stop.

[rescue7]

When I bought my 2015 3500 Ram SRW to pull my Montana, I figured I would be fine with weights. Took to scale this year and was over by 500 pounds. There is now a new 2018 3500 Ram DRW sitting in driveway. Messed up first time, not again.

[mtlakejim]

Yep those expensive mistakes are why we need to be so careful when advising newcomers! I wish someone had been there to convince me to buy the DRW from the start!!!

[jeffba]

Originally Posted by powerhaulic

I have,

combined 24040#

front axle 4869#
rear axle 6900#

trailer 15420#
pin 3140#
truck 8620#
Since then I have removed 250# of pin/truck weight


I was just a bit over on the tires, 250# each, now 125# each that will be corrected when i put the first set of tires on.
But i keep an eye on tire pressure when pulling, and do tire inspection (truck & trailer) at each fuel or pee stop.

so your GVWR is what 11500 or 11400? subtracting 250 from 11769 puts you right on the edge or a bit over.

[twindman]

Originally Posted by BiggarView

I'm confused... are you saying that because a 3500 Chevy has a 13000 GVWR (and is a DRW BTW) that your 2500 SRW which weighs 8000 loaded w/o trailer can carry a 5000 lb pin load????? No way!!!! 2500 has a GVWR of ~9500 lbs and if you are all in at 8000 lbs then you only have 1500 lbs of remaining payload for the pin weight. FAIL!!!

I guess I wasn't clear. A 3500 (SRW or are they all DWR?) would have 5000 lb capacity, I would think. Unfortunately for me, I thought they were way more expensive and went with a 2500 - but cost is only about $1500-2000 more. My Mountaineer had the lowest pin weight of any MOntana's for 2013 - or so they said. It ended up at the same weight as my previous Montana - 2400 lb. Supposed to have been 2000 or so.

[CaptnJohn]

You bet I have. Fully loaded for a 3 month snowbird trip F350 SRW is within all specs. Payload only 270 under but this is the heaviest it will ever be.

[mtlakejim]

Originally Posted by CaptnJohn

You bet I have. Fully loaded for a 3 month snowbird trip F350 SRW is within all specs. Payload only 270 under but this is the heaviest it will ever be.

Just for reference how long is that camper?

[richfaa]

Originally Posted by jeffba View Post
How many folks advocating SRW or DRW have actually taken their loaded rig to the scales?

We do not advocate SWD or DRW we do advocate staying within all spec's.We do advocate understanding how to do the numbers on the spec's.

We have weighed our rig at the fall rally they do a really good job. We were not overweight and did not have excessive pin weight.We ordered the truck knowing what the numbers were of the Truck and RV.

[TLightning]

Every year these things get heavier and heavier. Here's the bottom line...250/2500 over the pin weight, no question; 350/3500 SRW weigh it, some OK, some over weight; 350/3500 DRW usually okay, but not so with some of the new models.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by mtlakejim

Just for reference how long is that camper?

About 42' and pulls better than any other unit I've had- just owner 11,000 miles in the 11 months owned

[packnrat]

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Originally Posted by richfaa

And that makes my point. If your advising someone new who, as things normally go, will be upgrading, might as well recommend the dually so they are ready for the next one.

But from what I have heard most folks hauling factory to dealer are independent drivers and not subject too a transport companies demands.

not true. the transport drivers are required to do as shippers and recivers state. or they do not get the haul. no law sating this. just like working at company A you must ware this shirt, shoes, pants, etc. your always free to work elswere.
running duel tires is a weight thing. no more safety as long as a singel is not over worked/ over loaded.
look around you, how many blow outs do you see each year? look at the reasons why.
bet most were ether over loaded or damaged. tires just do not fail as part of there life.
the sidewalls of any tire is damaged just by rubbing a curb. the carcus by hitting a two by four in the rd.
in fourty (yes 40) years of driving big rigs. the only tires that failed were the cheap used carcus bought one day by someone who did not know better he just saw dollars.
blasted 5 that year. ( yes recaps) never have any other time. nails, rods, wareouts many of them.

just think safe and be safe. tends to work best.
drw or srw. do as you belive. both ways work. both ways fail.

[Texan]

Originally Posted by jeffba

How many folks advocating SRW or DRW have actually taken their loaded rig to the scales?

Were you overwieght?

I have. I'm just 2 miles from Flying J and there Cat Scales. No i wasn't overweight on my drw but i was on my rv at 16,200 pounds and the gvw is 16,000 pounds. I've said many times, if you don't weigh then you don't know. I believe many don't weigh because they are afraid of how much they do weigh. There would be a whole lot less discussion on this if everyone would weigh. Let the weight decide your choice. Now back to the popcorn.

[BiggarView]

Originally Posted by twindman

I guess I wasn't clear. A 3500 (SRW or are they all DWR?) would have 5000 lb capacity, I would think. Unfortunately for me, I thought they were way more expensive and went with a 2500 - but cost is only about $1500-2000 more. My Mountaineer had the lowest pin weight of any MOntana's for 2013 - or so they said. It ended up at the same weight as my previous Montana - 2400 lb. Supposed to have been 2000 or so.

Using 2018 Chevy 3500HD specs.
SRW GVWR is 11600 RAWR 7050 (diesel, 4x4, CCLB)
DRW GVWR is 13025 RAWR 9375 (same config.)
As you can see there is 2325 lb RAWR difference between SRW and DRW. The dually has a ~4950 lb payload capacity vs ~3850 for the SRW 3500. Compared to a 2500 SRW, the difference is even more. So what's left for trailer pin weight? Subtract the hitch, gear in the PU bed, passengers and gear in the cab. Want airbags? Subtract 100 lbs or more for that. You can see how you can run out of available payload for the pin weight real fast with a SRW truck. Some trailers you might get away with a 3500SRW but you might not, the larger Monty's you are near the edge or over, the smaller ones probably safe with SRW 3500. All of them are fine with a DRW. Now go to SOB and higher end units and you can go over limits with many DRW trucks. It's in the numbers. If you are only a weekend warrior or short term RVer you're more likely to not have an issue on the weights, Full timing? More problematic.

As to pin weight, Monty advertised pin weights are empty trailer, factory with no options. Rule of thumb.. loaded trailer pin weight should not exceed 25% of OEM total axle or tire ratings whichever is lower.

[Arizonacouple]

Well my apologies to James & Irene for not meeting your PROFESSIONAL standards.