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Old 05-12-2014, 11:12 AM   #1
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Anyone towing w/ a late model gasser?

I just had to shell out a little over 10K to fix the high pressure fuel pump on my 2012 Ford diesel. 37k miles on it and the dealer said "sorry" ford won't pay. After some discussion on this subject he said that about all you can do is buy your fuel at a truck stop (flying J ,Pilot etc) and hope you don't get any bad fuel. I'm ready to look for a gasser to pull this Monty but I don't know if the newer ones will pull it up a mountain.
 
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I had an ford 08 diesel and traded it in for 2011 ford gasser. I was towing 08 Montana that weighed 12000 lbs full. I maintained 65 mph going up hills here in east (ny to Tennessee on Rt 81. It did shift a lot more and rev a lot higher but it maintained 65 mph.
I used the truck mainly to go to work and got it just to tow the 5th wheel on half a dozen weekends and 1 or 2 weeks a year on vacation. The gasser works well for this and it's easy to find gas when towing. I don't know if I would tow much more then 12000 lbs but the one I have is rated to tow 15400 lbs. If I was to be towing all or most of the time then I would get a diesel.
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Old 05-12-2014, 01:11 PM   #3
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You'll be sorry going to a gasser once owning a diesel. I'd elevate your claim with Ford before you throw in the towel.
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I went from a 93 dodge dls to a 04 Ford v10. No regrets. Keep the RPMS up and the hills are No problem. Up and down west coast from Canada to Mexico and Seattle to glacier national park in Montana.
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:14 PM   #5
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I HATED getting rid of my V10 Ford Gasser it was a great motor but there was No Way it could haul 15K of Monty tried it once and it sounded like it was going to Blow Up at 5K RPM and barely only making 4o MPH going up the Pass, next trip went and bought a Duramax Dually and all is good just hope it does not break down cause I hear Ya they are EXPENSIVE] to fix compared to my V10 Gasser but IMO you have no choice with the big Montana's Gassers are fine for the lighter older ones's like my old 34ft Big Sky
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:12 PM   #6
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Your insurance co might pay for your HPFP or if you know where you got the bad fuel sometimes they can be forced to pay if you can prove you got
The fuel at that station. Go to the station and get a can full and have it checked. You will need a lawyer but for 10K you can afford it. All the car company's consider dirty fuel or water in the fuel abuse. These new high pressure fuel systems are very fragile.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:11 PM   #7
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Sorry to hear about your expensive repair. We too had the same thing done but we have the Ford ESP extended warranty. So everything should be alright? Not so. Ford specifies that everything cannot show any signs of rust. Shouldn't the water separator take that out? Not so says Ford. Anyhow, after two weeks of Ford scrutinizing every part three times and arguing with the dealer they finally relented and covered the repair. We had no rust in the system. Ford has a serious problem with the fuel systems and don't want to fix them. And their customer service is terrible.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:27 PM   #8
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That's what I was wondering, is it a Ford issue or a diesel issue.
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Personally, I can't imagine having a $10,000 repair bill for my truck. I thought that was a misprint.
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Holy cow, I thought I was the only one to have a $10,000.00 bad repair experience!
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$10,000 was not a misprint. Actually 10,216 thank you. I'm going to try to get my auto ins to come to the plate, and since we have been traveling, there's no telling where we got the fuel.I think this is an issue with Ford ,because Chevy and Dodge use the same HP fuel pump but for some reason you don't hear near as much about them having these problems.
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Old 05-13-2014, 02:33 AM   #12
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Any of them can have the problem. These pumps work at up to 27,000 psi. That makes any pump very fragile. They are made to extremely close tolerances any dirt will destroy them. Be very careful where you get fuel. When the pump goes bad it sends medal shavings through the system and takeing out the injectors and since the fuel lines are one time use they must be replaced too.
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Sorry to hear you had a repair bill over $10,000. I am pulling Montana anywhere from 4,000 - 7,000 miles a year right now and a gas engine wouldn't cut it for me. Nightmares like what happened to you made me purchase my extended warranty at 35,000 miles. IMHO if you tow a larger fiver a lot you are pushing your TV to its limits. The chances of mechanical failure and large repair bills are higher than you would experience with your family daily driver. If you can get Ford to change their minds and pay for the repair, or your insurance company helps you out, the first thing you should probably do is latch on to an extended warranty.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Fords ESP wouldn't pay for this either.Ford is pretty absolute about this water = no pay!!When you point out that you never had a water warning light come on, you get the shoulder shrug. go here and read about all of this
http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f148/
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100000 plus on my Cummins with nothing but regular maintenance, knock on a big piece of wood somewhere. When ford dropped international they made huge mistake. Sounds like a Ford issue to me which is a shame because they build a nice truck. Just do not hear much good on their deisel. I think I would have it towed somewhere else for repair. Even if the price is the same I dont think I could give the dealer that kind of money.
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quote:Originally posted by bethandkevin

Holy cow, I thought I was the only one to have a $10,000.00 bad repair experience!
Hope it wasn't your Dmax.
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[quote]quote:Originally posted by sambam

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Holy cow, I thought I was the only one to have a $10,000.00 bad repair experience!
Hope it wasn't your Dmax.
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It was. Started with head gaskets. Bloomed from there into injectors and head work. I got a bad feeling about it. Should have waited for warmer weather and done it myself! I won't recommend the garage to anyone. Down for five weeks with more excuses than I can count.
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UPDATE, I just got off the phone with Ford Customer service, and they told me "Ford will not pay for any damage caused by contamination in the fuel". When I said I did not get any kind of a warning light, they said "well the system is not 100% fool proof" I guess Ford should know their system better than anyone else!! Again they say buy your fuel at a branded station, such as a truck stop. When I pointed all our fuel here comes from 1 refinery and they deliver to each branded station, there was no response.
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The Ford fuel pump problem is a well known issue and probably one of the reasons I bought my Ram. The light not coming on, yet there is enough water to cause $10K of damage and Ford nor the Ford ESP will cover it. Normal.

I'd get my comp coverage involved, and in turn they will go after Ford.

Both Ford and GM use a Bosch CP4.2 pump. Ram uses a Bosch CP3.3 Do some research on the fuel requirements from Bosch.

This is a cut and paste that kinda sums it up

We’ve heard some reports of difficulties with these Bosch CP4 pumps—an attribute that we had previously chalked up to the increased injection pressures and the implementation of the new pump architecture in our marketplace. In general, the Bosch CP3 common-rail injection pump has proven to be bulletproof, while the lower-cost CP4 pump may still have some growing pains to work through. When we asked our industry expert about the differences in the two pumps, we were told, “When a CP3 pump fails, it sends metal back to the fuel tanks. When a CP4 pump fails, it sends metal into the injectors.” So both pumps can fail, it just seems that the collateral damage can be higher with the CP4-based systems.

Read more: http://www.dieselpowermag.com

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I just had to shell out a little over 10K to fix the high pressure fuel pump on my 2012 Ford diesel. 37k miles on it and the dealer said "sorry" ford won't pay. After some discussion on this subject he said that about all you can do is buy your fuel at a truck stop (flying J ,Pilot etc) and hope you don't get any bad fuel. I'm ready to look for a gasser to pull this Monty but I don't know if the newer ones will pull it up a mountain.
Did Ford have the fuel tested? If so, ask for a copy of the test. If not, make them verify that was the problem. If they fail to verify it was, then I'd go after Ford. If they can verify it, go after the place that sold you the bad fuel, In the grand scheme of things, bad diesel is very rare, and if you had problems, others did too, and the place will know they screwed up. Last resort, call your insurance company.

Also, keep in mind that in the 9 years I've had a diesel truck and hung out on diesel forums, bad fuel that actually causes damage other than filter replacement is a very rare occurrence.
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