|
|
01-10-2019, 08:53 AM
|
#1
|
New Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Arvada
Posts: 3
M.O.C. #23065
|
One worn tire
Hello, new member here. I've learned a lot from your posts and thank you.
I discovered the street side rear tire on our 2009 2980RL was completely bald just on the inside of the tire. The other three tires were fine and all four were new with only 8000 miles. The first thing I heard from others was it must be a bent axle. So, I put a level on the tire - perfectly plumb! I put a straight edge to the two axles - no deviation. I spun the wheel when it was off the ground - no wobble. I check the pressure before each trip.
I'm stumped! does anyone have some insight into what could be going on?
Thanks in advance.
|
|
|
01-10-2019, 09:08 AM
|
#2
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ.
Posts: 1,811
M.O.C. #10552
|
You need to take it to an expert like a trailer alignment shop. There is just no way you can check it without the proper equipment.
Also welcome to the forum.
__________________
Wayne and Ann Moore
2015 Ford F-350 King Ranch
Firestone air bags, bed saver.
Add 40 GAL tank in bed.
|
|
|
01-10-2019, 10:38 AM
|
#3
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
Posts: 2,707
M.O.C. #7992
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by waynemoore
You need to take it to an expert like a trailer alignment shop. There is just no way you can check it without the proper equipment.
Also welcome to the forum.
|
I agree with Wayne, you just can't tell without the proper equipment. Axle can be perfect but spindle or even the wheel might be bent.
__________________
2006 3000RK
2009 Ram 2500
|
|
|
01-10-2019, 11:14 AM
|
#4
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Mountain Home
Posts: 839
M.O.C. #20949
|
Only two problems tha5 I’m aware of will cause tire to wear on inside rig only...
Camber of that axle is not in spec...they come pre bent from factory with X amount of camber
If the wheel bearing on that wheel has an issue ...not properly torqued or greased it will also cause this issue..
Also you could take a laser level ... very inexpensive.. and place at center of that axle with laser beam resting just on bottom edge of axle...
Look at the laser beam from side to side and see if it hits the bottom edge across from center out at each wheel... if camber is way out you MAY see a variance but not certain.
|
|
|
01-10-2019, 03:04 PM
|
#5
|
Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Pine
Posts: 53
M.O.C. #19552
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by waynemoore
You need to take it to an expert like a trailer alignment shop. There is just no way you can check it without the proper equipment.
Also welcome to the forum.
|
This is not correct. With a level, string and tape measure I have aligned many a front end on a car. A trailer is much easier since the castor does not have to be measured or changed. Granted changing camber can be a pain on a solid axle on a trailer but not impossible with the right tools. The "Proper Equipment" makes it easier, but for the DIY "Gear Head" quality alignments are easily attained.
From what the OP posted, everything lines up as it should. I would check how level the ride is, loading of the unit, etc. I think he still needs a string to check alignment with the tow vehicle.
I purchased my 2009 used 3 years ago and it still had the original tires. The passenger side rear tire was worn severely on the inside. This concerned me greatly so I pulled out my camber/castor gauge and string and check the alignment and found nothing out of spec. I put four new Sailun tires on the ground and one as a spare. 10K later no discernible wear can be seen on the tires.
|
|
|
01-10-2019, 10:04 PM
|
#6
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
|
Putting a level on a tire would work if rubber tires were precise in their shapes. They are not. I had the same wear on my monty and took it to a truck alignment shop. They bent the axle back to spec and problem fixed.
__________________
2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
|
|
|
01-10-2019, 10:54 PM
|
#7
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Folsom, California
Posts: 552
M.O.C. #21903
|
You might have a weak leaf spring. I wore out a set of tires in one 8,000 mile trip. All were so worn on the inside that towards the end of that trip, We stopped at Les Schwab in Toolee, Utah and had them flip the tires so the worn part was on the outside. They were nice enough to let us boondock under their awning that night.
Turns out that my rig had two 6,000 pound axles with 2,500 pound leaf springs. Every time the rig bounced, the axle flexed and produced positive caster which wore out the inside of the tires. I replaced the springs with 3,000 pound ones (one extra leaf) and put on new tires.
Just completed 9,100 mile trip and tires still look new. I tracked tread depth on sides and middle of tires at start, mid, and end of trip. Tires wore evenly.
I also did the hillbilly alignment using a straight edge, level, chain, and bottle jack. Right side was way out, bent axle with chain and jack and got it aligned.
__________________
'05 F250 6.0 Bullet Proofed - Sold
'17 F350 6.7 Lariet
'02 Montana 3280RL Upgraded a bunch.
|
|
|
01-11-2019, 04:25 AM
|
#8
|
Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Detroit
Posts: 100
M.O.C. #18932
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hblick48
I also did the hillbilly alignment using a straight edge, level, chain, and bottle jack. Right side was way out, bent axle with chain and jack and got it aligned.
|
I had my driver side rear tire completely bald on the inside after my trip from Florida back to Michigan. I did exactly as Hblick did with a hillbilly alignment, put on a new Sailun tire, and its been great ever since....
|
|
|
01-11-2019, 06:26 AM
|
#9
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids
Posts: 1,896
M.O.C. #9561
|
get an alignment.
|
|
|
01-13-2019, 02:13 PM
|
#10
|
New Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Arvada
Posts: 3
M.O.C. #23065
|
Thanks for all of the feedback. Anyone have the process for the hillbilly alignment?
|
|
|
01-13-2019, 02:22 PM
|
#11
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Folsom, California
Posts: 552
M.O.C. #21903
|
__________________
'05 F250 6.0 Bullet Proofed - Sold
'17 F350 6.7 Lariet
'02 Montana 3280RL Upgraded a bunch.
|
|
|
01-13-2019, 02:42 PM
|
#12
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deb & Ken’s Hoppy
Thanks for all of the feedback. Anyone have the process for the hillbilly alignment?
|
In the owners manual right next to how to duct tape a broken black tank.
__________________
2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
|
|
|
01-13-2019, 04:50 PM
|
#13
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Folsom, California
Posts: 552
M.O.C. #21903
|
Here is a better video. https://youtu.be/H3tbsnVKxjU
First place a straight edge across face of tires, around mid point. All 4 tires should touch the straight edge. If one (or more) points have a space, the axle is bent. My right front was out over one quarter inch. Used a 30 ton Harbor Freight bottle jack and chain. Has to do the right front twice and the right rear once to get it right. Then check the vertical alignment with a level. Should be slightly "bubble out."
Like I said in an earlier post, it worked for me.
__________________
'05 F250 6.0 Bullet Proofed - Sold
'17 F350 6.7 Lariet
'02 Montana 3280RL Upgraded a bunch.
|
|
|
01-13-2019, 05:33 PM
|
#14
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Arroyo City
Posts: 3,110
M.O.C. #13395
|
Did you measure distance between tires on each side?
|
|
|
01-13-2019, 06:01 PM
|
#15
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ.
Posts: 1,811
M.O.C. #10552
|
I just don’t understand? My Montana is part of the family and I want it to have the best care possible. Just like the TV it gets the best of care, all the required maintenance is done on time.
I know how to do a lot of thing myself on the TV and rig. But I am no expert and I just don’t have to Proper equipment or facilities to do do it correctly.
I want an expert doing that type of work on my baby. Plus I spent far to much money to be messing around with it myself.
__________________
Wayne and Ann Moore
2015 Ford F-350 King Ranch
Firestone air bags, bed saver.
Add 40 GAL tank in bed.
|
|
|
01-13-2019, 06:33 PM
|
#16
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Folsom, California
Posts: 552
M.O.C. #21903
|
KOLCB..I didn't measure anything. Waynemore..I've been wrenching on cars for over 50 years. I hate to pay someone for something I can still do myself.
My hillbilly alignment was successful. In fact I just finished installing new brakes and drums on the Montana. Have the parts to replace brakes on TV.
However, TV developed a transmission problem midway through our last trip. I thought that if I needed a rebuilt one, I'd attempt to do it myself. If I were 20 years younger, I would attempt it, but now that repair is beyond me at this point in my life. Going to a Powerstroke Specialist for that one.
__________________
'05 F250 6.0 Bullet Proofed - Sold
'17 F350 6.7 Lariet
'02 Montana 3280RL Upgraded a bunch.
|
|
|
01-15-2019, 04:24 PM
|
#17
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Eugene
Posts: 1,053
M.O.C. #5091
|
Most likely alignment. Take it to shop that can do alignments on big rigs and trailer.They have to bend axle to align. None of these trailers come aligned fro factory.
|
|
|
01-16-2019, 01:47 PM
|
#18
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: North Lake Tahoe
Posts: 639
M.O.C. #18510
|
I had the same thing happen to my driver side rear tire. Took it to a truck alignment shop, and he instantly showed me what was wrong. Those yellow octagon plates on the front and back of the leaf spring, have a grease fitting, and they all should be lined up and be at the 6 o'clock position. Apparently the factory did not tighten those bolts to 75 ft. pounds and that bolt came loose and the octagon spun bending one of the side rails that are supposed to keep it from spinning. So now before every trip, I make sure those yellow octagon plates have not rotated. So the truck guy had to take off everything and bend the side rail back into position and rotate the octagon to the right position and he measured the axles and they were good to go. I then got 20,000 more miles on my remaining tires and the new one I put there. So just do a quick check and make sure those octagon plates have not moved. and those 4 bolts are 75 ft. pounds
__________________
2017 3820FK Legacy Edition full body paint Montana, For Sale this November, 2018. 2016 Ram 3500 long bed Dually Cummins Turbo with air bags
|
|
|
01-16-2019, 02:41 PM
|
#19
|
Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: 1000 oaks
Posts: 954
M.O.C. #19630
|
This happened to my friends Montana Mountaineer on the rear axle.
He had broken a leaf spring center pin and the axle had shifted back about two inches on one side. Probably when he hooked a curb somewhere.
__________________
2011 2955RL Gen-Y Executive Kingpin
2022 GMC 2500HD Duramax/Alison
4X4 Crew Cab/Standard bed.
|
|
|
01-16-2019, 04:57 PM
|
#20
|
New Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bangor
Posts: 4
M.O.C. #10953
|
worn tire
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deb & Ken’s Hoppy
Hello, new member here. I've learned a lot from your posts and thank you.
I discovered the street side rear tire on our 2009 2980RL was completely bald just on the inside of the tire. The other three tires were fine and all four were new with only 8000 miles. The first thing I heard from others was it must be a bent axle. So, I put a level on the tire - perfectly plumb! I put a straight edge to the two axles - no deviation. I spun the wheel when it was off the ground - no wobble. I check the pressure before each trip.
I'm stumped! does anyone have some insight into what could be going on?
Thanks in advance.
|
I had the same problem and it turned out that although the other three tires were okay both axles were bent. They are made with a bend but mine were way out of whack. Have your RV dealer check the axles.
Bearstop
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Threads |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|