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12-06-2019, 11:39 PM
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Blue Wire
I just finished cleaning up all the wiring in my battery compartment. I have identified all wiring except for one; a 16ga blue wire coming from the belly. Keystone must have thought it was important, they had it connected directly to 12V; not going through a breaker. I thought it was the CO detector, but it's not. With it disconnected, I can't find anything that does not work.
Any ideas?
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12-07-2019, 06:33 AM
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Montana Master
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I've had the same question about that blue wire since Oct 2017and like you have no idea where it is connected. AND NOT FUSED AT THE SUPPLY SIDE. Not knowing what it is connected to makes me unsure about what fuse size to put inline. My suspicion is it goes to the charging sensing circuit of the converter but I've got a huge red wire (marked with blue arrow) going directly from the battery under the floor and most likely to the converter through the switch in the convenience center. Sometime later this weekend I'll get all this sorted out. I'll amp-probe the blue wire when I fire up power again.
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12-07-2019, 06:56 AM
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Just looked inside the converter and no blue wire. There is a blk - wht heavy pair from the bottom (converter positive + and converter negative -) going to the circuit board which also has no blue wires. I'm thinking the only converter connection to the battery is the one heavy red wire to Battery pos + connection. See diagram
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12-07-2019, 07:13 AM
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Here is a Keystone color code chart. Hope this helps
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12-15-2019, 07:48 PM
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Seasoned Camper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryles
Here is a Keystone color code chart. Hope this helps
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That is helpful any chance we can get a larger image or pfd it's a little hard for these old eyes.
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12-07-2019, 07:35 AM
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Your blue wire probably goes to the brakes break away switch
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12-07-2019, 08:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akoske
Your blue wire probably goes to the brakes break away switch
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Thanks. That will be easy to test. And most likely not a great ides to fuse it but I'll see after checking the current draw when pulled but just for a short time. So Scott can pull the breakaway switch pin while the wire is disconnected and brakes should not react.
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12-07-2019, 09:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akoske
Your blue wire probably goes to the brakes break away switch
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That is an idea. I'll check it this morning.
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12-07-2019, 09:59 AM
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Assuming your unit is wired like mine (might be a questionable assumption) here is where the other wires go:
#4 red - Converter
vio - Bedroom Slide control
wht - Tank heaters
red with a 20A in line fuse - Cord reel
red - Level Up system
red - 12VDC from truck
(several red wires, you just have to figure them out)
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12-07-2019, 11:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akoske
Your blue wire probably goes to the brakes break away switch
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Confirmed. It is 12VDC for the brake break-away switch.
Thanks!
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12-07-2019, 01:41 PM
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I’m quite surprised that blue DC power wire for emergency brakes is not fused with a resettable breaker.. it sure should be
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12-07-2019, 02:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckS
I’m quite surprised that blue DC power wire for emergency brakes is not fused with a resettable breaker.. it sure should be
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That would be interesting to watch
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12-17-2019, 05:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckS
I’m quite surprised that blue DC power wire for emergency brakes is not fused with a resettable breaker.. it sure should be
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It is required. In an emergency you don’t want it tripping a breaker
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12-16-2019, 06:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akoske
Your blue wire probably goes to the brakes break away switch
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Thanks for your post. I recently ran across an issue where a mice had gnawed some wiring in behind my battery box area. I had one particular small blue wire that had totally been gnawed into and I couldn't find but the one end coming off the hot terminal. I spoke with the Camping World shop advising of my issue and that I couldn't find the other end but everything seemed to be working. I was told not to worry that in some cases the factory had unused wires that simply were there? I even gave him a picture shot of the wire. I have been towing a few months with no break away break powered. I thought their answer was strange but what else can you do other than ask those who suppose to know. After your post I went back tracking wiring and finally found the other gnawed end back a few inches inside the under panel near the battery area. So much for asking the shop a question!
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12-17-2019, 05:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by glendodom
I spoke with the Camping World shop advising of my issue and that I couldn't find the other end but everything seemed to be working. I was told not to worry that in some cases the factory had unused wires that simply were there? !
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Snort laughed so loud I scared the dog
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12-07-2019, 05:02 PM
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I'd rather have mine hot. What fooled me is that the wire goes into the belly; probably doubles back to the harness going to the pin box.
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12-08-2019, 12:09 AM
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If your breakaway switch had to operate in an emergency, who cares if the wire is fused, you want that sucker to work fully to stop that trailer, even if it comes to burning up the wire, so it should not be fused with a fuse or breaker.
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12-08-2019, 07:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rohrmann
If your breakaway switch had to operate in an emergency, who cares if the wire is fused, you want that sucker to work fully to stop that trailer, even if it comes to burning up the wire, so it should not be fused with a fuse or breaker.
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And if it was fused, how would know if the fuse had blown, leaving you without emergency brakes? What if it blows one hour into an eight hour drive?
Perhaps I should, but I do not test my break-away every time I move.
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12-08-2019, 07:20 AM
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Fixed value fuse versus resettable breaker are entirely different applications. The emergency brake circuit should have a resettable breaker in the circuit to prevent catastrophic meltdown of the wire harness and brake magnets...
An appropriate sized resettable breaker will allow emergency brakes to do their job. If the brake circuit is activated due to break away plug being pulled out via cable it’s not gonna take all day to stop the RV...
And if unit is stored away from home and some jerk pulls that cable and you have batteries installed at the least you can expect damaged brake magnets and over heated wire harness...
My unit has a resettable breaker... as it should have
YMMV
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12-08-2019, 08:01 AM
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No mention of a resettable fuse
have not been able to find what I would call a manufacturers drawing either way though
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