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09-05-2006, 04:51 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
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M.O.C. #6109
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Tow Command Ford Problem
I've developed or just noticed an annoying problem with our 06 F350 when in the Tow/Haul mode. When coasting to a stop - right at around 15 mph - I get this spastic slam like I hit a curb or something and I hear an electric motor noise on the firewall like you do with antilock brakes. It did it a couple of times with the Montana and made me shutter. Today I was towing a small utility trailer and it did it again. The utility trailer has no brakes, so I've ruled out a problem with the brake controller -
Any similar experiences out there before I take this in to Ford for an endless encounter because it will run fine for them?
Brad & Dory
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2006 F350 Stroker Lariat towmoter - love the trans shift and integrated brake controller.
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09-06-2006, 01:53 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Conover
Posts: 995
M.O.C. #1832
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It's your transmission down shifting. The noise you hear outside is more likely the aux cooler cooling the transmission. What happens is the fan speed will increase noticeably to help get air to the transmission cooler during these downshifts.
Broome101
2005 F350 PSD,SRW,CC,LB, King Ranch, 4x4
2005 3685FL
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09-06-2006, 03:32 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Zachary
Posts: 324
M.O.C. #4142
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You may be hearing the whinning noise from the tranny because the torque convertor is locked up.
Darrell&Pam
06 3670
06 F350 Lariet P.S.D. C.C. DRW.
Husky 16k glider
Huntly-Yorkie
Zachary,La.
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09-06-2006, 04:47 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #6109
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I guess a better description of the motor noise would be an electric pump - like the water pump in the Montana only faster rpm (lasts about a second) - and it is a HARD coffee spillin jerk and then it lets go instantly.
Perhaps it is dropping into first gear at that speed - but it acts more like a downshift if I was in low range.
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09-06-2006, 05:05 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2006
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M.O.C. #5980
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I have noticed that the vacuum pump for the truck makes that sound, maybe that's it. You notice that sound also, when the truck is first keyed on at start up, is that the sound you Hear?
'07 3400RL 2nd RTU
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09-06-2006, 05:14 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #6109
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Hey Ozz,
It might be - I'll have to listen to the start up noise more carefully.
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09-06-2006, 06:45 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: La Pine
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M.O.C. #2018
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Brad, ours does the same thing and hubby says it happens when it is in tow/haul mode when the transmission shifts down, like Broome101 says. When coming to a stop he sometimes takes it out of tow/haul. And the noise is most likely the cooling fan.
Virgil and Karen
2000 3255RL
2006 F350 PSD 4x4
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09-06-2006, 08:34 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Mt. Hood
Posts: 90
M.O.C. #2818
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Had a similar problem with mine slamming on down shift had it reprogramend and is fine now.
Jon & Marty
F250 6L psd
3400rl
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09-06-2006, 10:07 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Thornton
Posts: 178
M.O.C. #5799
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I also have the 06 PSD. In tow haul I do not have this problem. Nice clean smooth downshift. In fact, when coasting, if I tap the brake pedal, it causes the transmission to downshift to the next lower gear. No noise or bumping whatsoever. If I were you, I would head for the dealership... Tim
06 F350 4wd PSD Crew
06 Mountianeer 34PHT
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09-06-2006, 02:27 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oceanside
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M.O.C. #20
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Brad, on the earlier models with the TorqShift there was a TSB for a hard downshift to (either 1st or 2nd, can't remember). I had that on my 2003. They reprogrammed and never had the problem again. I assumed the newer ones don't do that. My 2005 is smooth as butter, shifting both up and down.
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Steve Reigle (pronounced Regal)
Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'07 3400RL
'05 Ford F250 SD Lariat CC SB 6.0L PSD/TS FX4 4x4
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09-06-2006, 02:30 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Silver Springs
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M.O.C. #2716
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We had a recall notice on our 2005. We took it in and had it re-calibrated (is that the word?) It purrs like a kitten now when shifting down.
Helen
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2005 Montana 3475 pulled by our 2005 Ford 350 Power Stroke Diesel
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09-06-2006, 03:00 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
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M.O.C. #6109
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Well thanks ALL for the feedback! It's encouraging to know that I'm not just going crazy - and now I'm sure its the downshift into first. The first time I thought I had a short in the Montana brakes and locked em up.
I'll take it in the Dealer - due for oil anyway. Once it's fixed I won't be afraid to drive it with my false teeth in again
Steve - is TSB a Safety Technical Bulletin? Just thought I would talk to the Dealer about it.
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09-06-2006, 03:45 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Grand Junction
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M.O.C. #4854
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Yes, go see your dealer. My 06 PSD has never done anything like that. I'd want the repair on record, incase anything went wrong in the future.
Jerry
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09-08-2006, 03:33 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Palm Bay
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M.O.C. #4308
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Get it to a Ford dealer..soon. I have an 05 F350 as does my daughter and her husband, I have had the turbo replaced and my daughter had their transmission replaced, all under warranty fortunately (turbo $1,000.00) Ford was very good about it, wouldn't let me take it from the shop, gave me a loaner and had overnight delivery on the parts, 1.5 days and I was back in my truck.
Pete, Waltraud (Wally), Brian(Grandson) and Hannah (Big German Shepherd).
2005 Ford F-350 Lariat DRW FX4 Crew Cab 6.0 Turbo Diesel, w/tow boss package, dual batteries and alternators. Reese 16K fifth wheel and a 2005 Montana 2955RL.
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09-08-2006, 04:48 AM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Selma
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M.O.C. #4412
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Here's a good web site to read up on the TSB's on the Ford truck.
http://dan.prxy.org/Truck/F-350_main...SBs_FRAME.html
I have a 06 F-250 6.0 PSD had to get to truck reprogramed as stated in the TSB's and a new Turbo due to bearing failure. Runs better now then first new.
Good luck,
Kim
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09-08-2006, 06:01 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #6109
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Thanks Kim,
I've got a couple of things to get looked at now.
Brad
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09-08-2006, 06:05 AM
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Montana Master
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Location: La Pine
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M.O.C. #2018
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Kim, thanks for the TSB link. Called Ford dealer this morning and the tech says it sounds like a software problem. Taking it in Monday to be remedied. Leaving for Goshen Tuesday or Wednesday.
Virgil and Karen
2000 3255RL
2006 F350 PSD 4x4
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09-08-2006, 04:03 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oceanside
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M.O.C. #20
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Close, Brad. Technical Service Bulletin.
See another Montana or Mountaineer on the road? Flash lights twice, it might be one of us!
Steve Reigle (pronounced Regal)
Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'07 3400RL
'05 Ford F250 SD Lariat CC SB 6.0L PSD/TS FX4 4x4
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09-08-2006, 04:16 PM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #6109
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hahaha Thanks Steve - Did I mention I'm Dyslectic too.
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09-14-2006, 12:09 PM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #6109
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Well - first response back from Ford is "normal". I told them no way - the jolt is so intense with the Montana on the back it will knock a coffee cup out of it's holder. They are going to play with it some more.
Brad
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