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08-27-2006, 05:14 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oceanside
Posts: 20,028
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Jerzy, the reason you would do that is the same reason I added tranny and water temp gauges in addition to the EGT gauge. Mine are on the pillar on the drivers side.
The Ford temperature gauges do not give you any early warning that things are heating up. They have a "normal temperature range" during which the gauge does not move. Below or above that temp range the gauge moves like a normal gauge. Within the range it just sits there. If you ever heat yours up you may notice it goes from smack in the middle to 2/3 in about 3 seconds.
I added the gauges because I want to see that things are starting to heat so I can react **before** it becomes a problem, not after. I spent about $800 including installation for the three gauges. I had the pillar pod painted to match the color that post was before the pod was installed.
The Ford turbo boost gauge works well. I see no reason to supplement that one.
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Steve Reigle (pronounced Regal)
Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'03 3295RK
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08-27-2006, 05:35 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Clearwater
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Well I guess I will once again go against popular opinion when I say I rarely let'er cool down. Now if I had just been running at high speed down the Interstate and pulled into a rest area than I may allow for a cool down but that would depend on how long I took to find a parking spot.
Pulling into most parking areas is done at a relatively low speed, 5 to 10 MPH. At this speed the turbo is already cooling down and so I feel there is no need to sit there even for another minute.
Glenn
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08-27-2006, 08:17 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Coram
Posts: 249
M.O.C. #4379
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Thanks Serigle this is advice I was looking for. Another question is: should I install EGT before or after turbo. What do you think?
On the website I found three gauges and a pillar pod for about
$300.00 and I think I can do it myself after seeing the pictures.
Jerzy&Tricia05 Montana 3500RL 05 Ford F250 Lariat 6.0L PSD SB CC FX4 4X4Reese Signature Series5TH Airborne King Pin
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08-27-2006, 12:46 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Tioga
Posts: 189
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If I pull right off the highway and stop, I will let it run for 5 mins or so. Most of the time, when you come off highway, you are either driving through town or parked, registering at your campground. I leave it run while doing that, until I unhook and then it is shut off. I have never worried too much about solo driving through town though. If it is summer, I don't usually let it warm up much. I just take it easy until I see the temp gauge climbing and I watch the oil pressure gauge. In the winter, I let it warm up before going. I figure if it is blowing watm air through the defroster vents, it is warm enough to drive.
Virg and Jo
Tioga, ND
06 F-350,4X4, PSD, LB, SRW, Tow command, Lariat
03 Montana 2955RL
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08-27-2006, 01:31 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Vista
Posts: 343
M.O.C. #4075
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I let mine cool down to 400 degrees before shut off. No need of warm up on these new diesels unless it is very cold.
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08-27-2006, 03:08 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Naples
Posts: 658
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Thank you Glenn!! I thought I was the only one that didn't allow for a cool down. When I bought our 2005, I specifically asked the dealer about the cool down and was told that with the new Duramax, it wasn't necessary. I am going to have to wait until I get my truck back from the body shop ( got smashed about a month ago) to read the owners manual on the Duramax and the manufacturer's recommendation on cool down.
Gary and Karen
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2006 2950RK
2005 Chev 2500HD Duramax/Allison SB
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08-27-2006, 04:48 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Down the Road
Posts: 5,627
M.O.C. #889
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I had my EGT installed post turbo, that is the only place the dealership would install it. I know the chance is very slim, but there is still the chance that the probe could come apart and go flying into your turbo. That is the reason the shop gave me why they do not and would not install pre turbo. I talked with a few fellas I know who drive 18 wheelers, and they said the most commom place is post turbo. Again that was their answers, so I went with that. While towing over the 6,000' mark on Thursday of last week, I saw temps as high as 1,100 degrees. I usually followed with a downshift to a lower gear to increase the rpm's which in turn lowered the exhaust temp. As Steve said, this gauge is great for seeing the problem as it is starting, not after it has already occured.
2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL
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08-27-2006, 07:02 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Down the Road
Posts: 5,627
M.O.C. #889
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Blue,
I am curious, were you at Blue Crick on Wednesday of this past week?? I remember seeing a Ford from Texas there while I was waiting for my coach to be worked on...
2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL
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08-27-2006, 07:08 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cypress
Posts: 333
M.O.C. #6121
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08-28-2006, 04:18 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Down the Road
Posts: 5,627
M.O.C. #889
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LOL!
Well if you do ever make it to that side of the mountains let me know.
2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL
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08-28-2006, 04:57 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sioux Falls
Posts: 398
M.O.C. #3846
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Can't speak to a Duramax but I have 217,000 miles on the original turbo in my Powerstroke (knock on wood) and I cool down. As was suggested, I added a pyrometer and use it to help manage my driving. If I see the temp getting around 1200 while pulling a hill, I back out of the throttle AND I always try to remember to cool it down to 300 before I shut off the engine. It's working.
Virgil & Jo Allmond
1998 Volvo 610, 425hp, 14 Speed tranny
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08-28-2006, 05:58 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
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In the school busses of couse we do not start the diesel till the glo plug light goes out.we are also instructed to give it a 15 mins warm up in the AM and that time is built into our pre trip. No special instructions on the cool down and I will only cool down if I think that we need to...
Rich& Helen N.Ridgeville,Ohio.
F-350SD, Lariat, V-10,4:30 Diff, tow command Long bed, Crew Cab Dually, 06 3400RL
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08-28-2006, 09:33 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cypress
Posts: 333
M.O.C. #6121
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08-28-2006, 11:03 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2006
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On my Yanmar boat engine, I warm it up by idling in foward gear (warms up the entire drive train, not just the engine) and, if running hard, let cool down for five minutes prior to shutting it down.
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08-28-2006, 03:31 PM
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#37
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cypress
Posts: 333
M.O.C. #6121
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09-05-2006, 04:46 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oceanside
Posts: 20,028
M.O.C. #20
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Jerzey54, I specifically requested mine be installed pre-turbo. It's the heat coming into the turbo that does the damage so that's where I want to know the temperature. As MS said, there's a minute chance the probe could break off and take out the turbo. I've never heard of that happening so will take the risk. Post turbo isn't that bad a choice in my opinion but the temp swing won't be as rapid. My preference is pre turbo but that's just my preference.
As for cool down, if I pull into a parking space and the egt is below 500 I shut if off. If above 500 I let it run until it gets to 500. Only after a hard grade or long hot run do I have to let it cool down more than five or ten seconds. If in a rest area after a very long tough grade I may lock the doors and let it idle while we use the facilities. That's rare that we need to do that, though.
See another Montana or Mountaineer on the road? Flash lights twice, it might be one of us!
Steve Reigle (pronounced Regal)
Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'07 3400RL
'05 Ford F250 SD Lariat CC SB 6.0L PSD/TS FX4 4x4
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09-10-2006, 09:54 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Coram
Posts: 249
M.O.C. #4379
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Thanks Sreigle. After camping season is over I will invest in adding EGT, Trany temp and Water temp sensors.
Jerzy&Tricia05 Montana 3500RL 05 Ford F250 Lariat 6.0L PSD SB CC FX4 4X4Reese Signature Series5TH Airborne King Pin
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09-10-2006, 11:21 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sioux Falls (full-time)
Posts: 343
M.O.C. #5293
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a guy at my campground burned his up...by not letting it cool down so he went out and bought a gasser so he didn't have to worry about it. He was pulling 5th wheel a distance (not sure how many miles) but he stopped and just turned off the truck and the turbo went out. He told me the dealer told him that was the cause of the malfunction. I keep mine running a while after towing and general driving. I figure by the time I get to my destination (on a basic drive), I generally adjust my windows (roll up) get my purse, maybe listen to end of a song that's playing, get my cell phone and my to-do list etc together which takes a few minutes and gives the truck time to cool down some at the same time. I read on the "the disel stop.com" about this issue two years ago...so I'm very careful.
2006 Montana 3500RL, MorRyde Suspension, W/D, 2nd A/C, Fantastic Fans, MaxxAir, Fireplace, RotoChocks, Slide Awnings. 2005 Ford F350 Lariat LE, PSD 4x4 Dually, Long Bed, C-Betr Mirrors, Vortex Spray-In Liner, Access Tonneau Cover, Remote Starter/Alarm, LED Running Board Lights
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