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Old 11-07-2019, 10:05 AM   #1
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Disc Brakes

Been towing 5th wheels for 35 years and have never been happy with the brakes. When I bought my first brand new trailer, my current Montana, I thought that I would finally have good brakes. Well they weren't any better than my previous trailer, maybe not even as good. Since the Montana was a couple of thousand pounds heavier I figured that was the reason. Checked and adjusted brakes and found no improvement. Then I considered that maybe it was an issue with the truck, but dismissed that theory when I bought a newer truck with no improvement in braking. Now I'm not saying braking was a white knuckle experience, but under hard braking you could tell there was room for improvement. I always felt that you should be able to lock up the trailer brakes with the controller at most speeds. I could not lock mine up at any speed, and have been through 3 trucks and 3 trailers since I could.
So, yesterday I bit the bullet and ordered disc brakes from stopyourtrailer.com
This will be a winter project and I won't see the results until spring (unless we get a wild hair and go south for a few weeks this winter). Interestingly, Bill told me that since Dexter now owns both Titan and Kodiak I may receive either calipers as they are in the process of phasing out the Titan brand. He said that they are exactly the same anyway. I also went ahead and ordered the 9/16 stud kit even though my 7,000lb axles have 1/2 inch studs because the 9/16 hub uses a wider outer bearing. Probably not necessary, but just a little extra insurance.
Here's hoping that all the glowing reviews on disc brakes are true!
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:31 PM   #2
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Been towing 5th wheels for 35 years and have never been happy with the brakes. When I bought my first brand new trailer, my current Montana, I thought that I would finally have good brakes. Well they weren't any better than my previous trailer, maybe not even as good. Since the Montana was a couple of thousand pounds heavier I figured that was the reason. Checked and adjusted brakes and found no improvement. Then I considered that maybe it was an issue with the truck, but dismissed that theory when I bought a newer truck with no improvement in braking. Now I'm not saying braking was a white knuckle experience, but under hard braking you could tell there was room for improvement. I always felt that you should be able to lock up the trailer brakes with the controller at most speeds. I could not lock mine up at any speed, and have been through 3 trucks and 3 trailers since I could.
So, yesterday I bit the bullet and ordered disc brakes from stopyourtrailer.com
This will be a winter project and I won't see the results until spring (unless we get a wild hair and go south for a few weeks this winter). Interestingly, Bill told me that since Dexter now owns both Titan and Kodiak I may receive either calipers as they are in the process of phasing out the Titan brand. He said that they are exactly the same anyway. I also went ahead and ordered the 9/16 stud kit even though my 7,000lb axles have 1/2 inch studs because the 9/16 hub uses a wider outer bearing. Probably not necessary, but just a little extra insurance.
Here's hoping that all the glowing reviews on disc brakes are true!

You will love them. I did it on my Hitchhiker. Used the Kodiak conversion. To me the hardest part was doing the brake lines. I will be doing it to my Montana this winter also.
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Old 11-07-2019, 01:36 PM   #3
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Been towing 5th wheels for 35 years and have never been happy with the brakes. When I bought my first brand new trailer, my current Montana, I thought that I would finally have good brakes. Well they weren't any better than my previous trailer, maybe not even as good. Since the Montana was a couple of thousand pounds heavier I figured that was the reason. Checked and adjusted brakes and found no improvement. Then I considered that maybe it was an issue with the truck, but dismissed that theory when I bought a newer truck with no improvement in braking. Now I'm not saying braking was a white knuckle experience, but under hard braking you could tell there was room for improvement. I always felt that you should be able to lock up the trailer brakes with the controller at most speeds. I could not lock mine up at any speed, and have been through 3 trucks and 3 trailers since I could.
So, yesterday I bit the bullet and ordered disc brakes from stopyourtrailer.com
This will be a winter project and I won't see the results until spring (unless we get a wild hair and go south for a few weeks this winter). Interestingly, Bill told me that since Dexter now owns both Titan and Kodiak I may receive either calipers as they are in the process of phasing out the Titan brand. He said that they are exactly the same anyway. I also went ahead and ordered the 9/16 stud kit even though my 7,000lb axles have 1/2 inch studs because the 9/16 hub uses a wider outer bearing. Probably not necessary, but just a little extra insurance.
Here's hoping that all the glowing reviews on disc brakes are true!
I absolutely/positively know for a fact that you will love them and will kick yourself in the a-- for not doing it sooner.

I'm going one step farther in June and having Mor Ryde IS installed.
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Old 11-07-2019, 01:43 PM   #4
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We're on our second Montana and neither one was more than a year old before disk brakes were added. Wouldn't be without them.
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:28 PM   #5
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You are going to love your stopping power, and pulling your rig is going to be a pleasure without having to worry about stopping. I bought my stuff from the same place and couldn't be happier.



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Old 11-09-2019, 09:38 AM   #6
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What is the ballpark number to change everything out..? Are there issues going Hydraulic to electric when hooked up to the truck.? I have thought about it just seems like a big hassle to start changing everything...
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:58 AM   #7
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I was quoted $1870.00 for my 7,000lb axles. I opted to upgrade to 9/16 studs with a bigger outer bearing for an additional $130.00. Over $100.00 of that was due to needing bigger lug nuts. Labor not included.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:04 AM   #8
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What is the ballpark number to change everything out..? Are there issues going Hydraulic to electric when hooked up to the truck.? I have thought about it just seems like a big hassle to start changing everything...

Everything I needed was in the box.. I opted for Timken bearings and races added 150.00 or so. A few quarts of fluid, and some wire and connectors. My 2012 F350 had a Hyd/Elec option. It was pretty painless.



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Old 11-10-2019, 08:02 PM   #9
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No comparison between the drums and discs, especially in a panic stop. The discs will put a smile on your face for sure.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:29 PM   #10
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I have disk brakes on my sob and love, love, love them. I have a 2015 Chev 3500 and it is not compatible with electric over hydraulic brakes so had to purchase and install an adapter from e-trailer. This has been fantastic but still considering installing an aftermarket brake controller that is comparable with hydraulic disc brakes. You will be very happy with the difference between disc and drum brakes, It is almost like you actually have brakes!!!
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:23 PM   #11
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I have an 3500 ram dually and my truck and rv will stop better together than the dually by itself. Several on this forum have said the same thing even though it doesn't seem possible. You will wonder why you waited so long to change.
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