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Old 11-08-2012, 03:27 PM   #1
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OZZ thanks for addressing the Goodyear tire problems to Keystone on all our behalfs as well as the same type of wear problem on some other brands as well. To many of us are having issues. This is getting very expensive for us all, trying to keep safe tires on these rigs. We all know the damage that happens to our trailers when the tire blows. There are many other tandem trailiers that do not have these issues.
 
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:48 AM   #2
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It's frustrating when we can't trust the tires, I can't count the times I have read of someone blowing a tire going down the road tearing a fender off, or wiping out the brake lines, like mine did.
I know some people could be speeding, could be over-loaded, could have too little, or maybe even too much air in the tire, but I know mine were OK, and I know others in our group that are very careful in monitoring tire pressures, and still have problems.
Thanks, appreciate it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:05 AM   #3
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I haven't heard of any problems with the Bridgestone Duravis 250 tires.

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Old 11-10-2012, 03:45 PM   #4
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Hopefully we won"t have problems with the Bridgestone Duravis tires. It"s a shame that anyone should have a problem being as careful as many here are.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:35 PM   #5
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Guys, I just finished reading this article by Mark Polk. Thought I would share. [http://rvingwithmarkpolk.com/2012/11...-vs-lt-tires/] So many thoughts on the matter.....
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:02 AM   #6
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Well... Mark Polk. I wish you would leave a comments section on your article page to allow me to retort.

You have managed to erase your entire article with this one simple fact that you stated.

"It is my general consensus that brand name ST tires matched for the application and properly inflated, maintained and not overloaded are the right tire for the job. I personally only use Michelin tires on my automobiles and motorhome"

The last time I checked. Michelin's are made in the US and France. Also, put a few miles and years on your heavy 5er (which...you dont own..) with your matched ST tires before putting your "General Consensus" for the world to see. I think your opinion would change pretty quickly.

Its a simple engineering task really, tires for our rigs need to be over engineered, not under.
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:42 AM   #7
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Interesting how everyone who Doesn't own a FifthWheel can be an expert on the tires on our Rigs. He needs to talk to some of the MOC members who have lost a tire on the short drive from the Dealer where they just picked up the unit to their home. I'm pretty sure there are at least several members who had a blow-out on their way home from the dealer.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:36 AM   #8
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I'm sure glad to hear that the chinese tires are much better now
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:21 PM   #9
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You are gonna get your toungue stuck in your cheek if you're not careful!!

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I'm sure glad to hear that the chinese tires are much better now
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:12 PM   #10
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Re: Chinese made products

Our company was forced to have some of our lower end product ( battery backup systems) made in China. We fought the directive for some time, but our competitors were seriously under pricing us, so we finally agreed to source that product line in China. One of our engineers had worked for Cobra (CB, etc) and had spent a lot of time in China working with their suppliers. He stated that the Chinese companies will build very good products as long as we forced them to continue using exactly the same parts that the original design and qualification tests were derived from. Our contracts were very explicit and our parent company would spend time in the Chinese plant verifying that nothing was changed. We would get requests to change an electronic part due to costs or availability and when we did our engineers would validate the new part or refuse to allow the change. Under those circumstances we were able to get units built as well as we had been doing in the US. with the same excellent
reliability. Hopefully Goodyear and other tire companies are following President Reagans advice regarding Russia: Trust but verify. I suspect that in a lot of cases they are not doing enough verifying and too much trusting.
We had three of our original Mission tires go bad way before they should have. I became convinced that Missions were being built using worn out school erasers as their primary rubber component.

I've always been intrigued as to why Michelin (NOT MISSION) is not in the ST tire business. Maybe they feel that it's a no win business both from the selling price and from the nature of 5th wheel environment. Meanwhile the beat goes on and tire problems continue and continue and continue.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:19 PM   #11
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"I've always been intrigued as to why Michelin (NOT MISSION) is not in the ST tire business. Maybe they feel that it's a no win business both from the selling price and from the nature of 5th wheel environment. Meanwhile the beat goes on and tire problems continue and continue and continue."


FYI. I have really been paying attention to these tire threads. Come Spring, I'm going to have to replace the Mission tires on my rig. Wear is dictating replacement. Knock on wood, I have not had any problems other than replacing all the valves. I hope you all have this figured out by Spring.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:16 AM   #12
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You might want to read this article concerning tires on 5ver's if you haven't seen it.
http://www.thisoldcampsite.com/This_..._Alignmen.html
I had this problem on my 2006 3400RL. Kept eating tires until I had an alignment. I now have Firestone transforce on and have about 2500mi. without an issue.(knock on wood!) I also had the alignment guy build me a horizontal brace to fit between the Mor Ryde boxes on my 5ver. Mor Ryde sells a light duty brace called "X-Factor". This time if I do have another blowout it's less likely to knock the wheels out of alignment due to the shift in weight from the blown tire.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:58 AM   #13
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Has any one changed out LTs on their Montana for Marathons?
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:30 AM   #14
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You might want to read this article concerning tires on 5ver's if you haven't seen it.
http://www.thisoldcampsite.com/This_..._Alignmen.html
I had this problem on my 2006 3400RL. Kept eating tires until I had an alignment. I now have Firestone transforce on and have about 2500mi. without an issue.(knock on wood!) I also had the alignment guy build me a horizontal brace to fit between the Mor Ryde boxes on my 5ver. Mor Ryde sells a light duty brace called "X-Factor". This time if I do have another blowout it's less likely to knock the wheels out of alignment due to the shift in weight from the blown tire.
I read the article, tire wear is a little like a detective case, you read the clues and deduct the reason why the wear is there. Sometimes the clues are good and the results of your investigation are easy, as in the writers case, sometimes not so much.
In my example of wear, (and countless others) the outside edges of all tires wore equally. My rig is not overloaded as per the tire ratings, I had only 3,500 miles on them when my wife noticed the wear...she doesn't miss mch.. my tire inflation was spot on, so it was and is, sort of a mystery unsolved, but my money is a poor design, whether it be an improper rubber-mixture for trailer tires, or not enough shoulder rubber on the tires. Goodyear won't admit to that, but they do admit that the wear is there, and gave me 4 new tires.
I'm glad the Firestone tires are working for you, we all might have a look at them, let us know how they are doing in another 2,000 or so miles.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:10 AM   #15
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Jim, we have the same "wear" on the outside edges of our G614's but it doesn't seem to be wearing abnormally quickly.

Interestingly, re the ST vs LT, the G614's are LT tires but they also say "For Trailer Use Only."

Now I need to go find the thread(s) about the G614 wear.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:10 PM   #16
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On the sidewall of our G614s is the word "Regroovable." Does that mean when they reach the wear marks you can have them regrooved and they are as good as new tires? Just joking, but I have no idea why that word is on the tires. Maybe I bought retread tires and didn't know it!!!
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:28 PM   #17
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I remember a few years ago.. Cannot remember where I was at but I remember a man using a tool re groove used tires.. he made them look almost new..

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Old 11-26-2012, 02:15 PM   #18
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Yes, when the tread is worn down they can be regrooved but rv trailer tires usually need to be replaced because of age long before the tread is worn out
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:13 AM   #19
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Yes, when the tread is worn down they can be regrooved but rv trailer tires usually need to be replaced because of age long before the tread is worn out
Charlie, that's true of the vast majority of trailers but some of us fulltimers do wear out the tread before the tire time life is gone. When we wear the tread down enough I'll check into the cost of regrooving, expected additional life (such as tread depth) and then try to make an informed regroove/replace decision.
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That's true Steve but you don't fall into the usually category.
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