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06-08-2015, 08:28 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Elgin
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M.O.C. #11570
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DIESEL PARTICULATE REMOVAL WORTH IT
We have a 2008 RAM diesel. The truck has 73,000 miles, mainly towing our fifth wheel.
Thinking about possibly having the particulate filter removed because I need exhaust work done due to slight damage while off-roading while down in Arizona for the winter.
Are there many sensors to be replaced when removing the filter??
Do you gain that much power & mileage with it removed??
Since I will be in my 7th year of ownership will extended warranty still be valid with filter removed??
Any idea what removing the filter would cost??
Would it be best done by RAM dealer or speciaity shop??
Do not have any desire to install a chip & truck came with exhaust brake as standard equipment, so those 2 items need not be addressed.
Any & all comments on the above mentioned items will be greatly appreciated. I am a novice when it comes to diesels. This is my first ownership of one. Great pulling machine.
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06-08-2015, 09:21 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,547
M.O.C. #2283
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Is it worth it YES BUT. You must have a programmer you CANT just remove the DPF. Your truck will go into permeant regen. As for MPG increase maybe a little but not enough to ever pay for the programmer. Have your oil checked to see how much fuel is in it. If it's 1% per 1000 miles then you should at least look at a tuner. Or if you just won't more power then get one but don't get a tuner that doesn't remove the DPF.
Lynwood
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06-08-2015, 10:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: silver creek
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Is it part of your emission inspection in your state of registration? Or where ever you reg. it. that could be a expensive problem
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06-08-2015, 10:26 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
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Will never pass emission inspection in some States and would void any warranty.
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06-08-2015, 11:11 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by richfaa
Will never pass emission inspection in some States and would void any warranty.
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Roger that
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06-08-2015, 11:47 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Colorado Springs
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M.O.C. #10496
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Most dealers will not perform DPF removal. Likely violates emissions laws. Others are correct about needing a tuner installed as well. Sensors would need to be plugged, etc.
Unless it is damaged, I'd get the parts that were damaged replaced. The DPF is an expensive item. Here is a remanufactured one for sale on EBay...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/07-12-Mopar-...06a9a0&vxp=mtr
Take a look here for some insight on DPF deletes.
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/07...elete-kit.html
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06-09-2015, 09:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
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We have the FORD Extended Warranty Plan so deleting would void that besides the truck has pulled two Montana's everywhere without a struggle. There is no real increase in MPG and we do not need more power. However.. your truck...your choice.....
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06-09-2015, 02:09 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bridgewater
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I wanted to deep-six my DPF the day after bringing the truck home. However, state inspection, warranty concerns among other things kept me from doing it. Above comments are right, I think. Could be way more trouble than it's worth.
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06-09-2015, 02:41 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Elgin
Posts: 262
M.O.C. #11570
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Thanks for all of the responses to my questions.
Based on what I've heard here & talking to others I believe I'll just keep the filter & have the exhaust repaired. The repair job will not involve the filter.
Thanks everyone. Larry-P
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06-09-2015, 03:22 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,547
M.O.C. #2283
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There is nothing like pulling a camper with 600 HP but with that said I think leaving your DPF is a good choice for you. Removing it is not the best choice for everyone. I would have the oil checked to see how much fuel is in it.
Lynwood
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06-09-2015, 05:39 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Haysville
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M.O.C. #3085
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I'm from Kansas ... what's an emissions inspection???  Sorry ... just couldn't resist a jab with the door wide open.
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06-10-2015, 01:17 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Northport
Posts: 624
M.O.C. #12724
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by mlh
There is nothing like pulling a camper with 600 HP but with that said I think leaving your DPF is a good choice for you. Removing it is not the best choice for everyone. I would have the oil checked to see how much fuel is in it.
Lynwood
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Does the DPF filter have anything to do with how much fuel is in the oil? The extra injection of fuel is into the exhaust. At least on the newer ones. Think the early ones used the 8 injectors and fired them during exhaust stroke.
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06-10-2015, 02:48 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
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M.O.C. #2283
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YES big time. To regen most of these trucks dump fuel in the engine on the exhaust stroke some of it will bypass the rings and get in the oil. My truck had either 13 or 14% fuel the oil until removed the DPF now I have less than 1/2 %. The industry standard has always been less than 2%.
Lynwood
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06-10-2015, 09:34 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Northport
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M.O.C. #12724
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by mlh
YES big time. To regen most of these trucks dump fuel in the engine on the exhaust stroke some of it will bypass the rings and get in the oil. My truck had either 13 or 14% fuel the oil until removed the DPF now I have less than 1/2 %. The industry standard has always been less than 2%.
Lynwood
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Something I hadn't thought about. I'm on the Duramax forum more than this forum. I haven't seen any post on excessive fuel in the oil. I will post a question. Makes sense with the extra firing of the injectors that excess fuel in oil is possible. Maybe it's time to get my oil analyzed. How many miles did it take to get 13-14%?
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2008 Silverado Duramax
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06-10-2015, 11:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
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M.O.C. #2283
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Chevy did it wright they inject the fuel in the exhaust instead of the cylinders. I think Ford still injects it in the cylinders. If you have a truck that injects into the cylinders you should have your oil checked. Like I said I had 13 or 14% and know a guy that has Dodge Cummings that had 6% at 5000 miles. He never used his truck for pulling.
Lynwood
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