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Old 10-04-2004, 04:42 PM   #1
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Artic Insulation

I have a 2004 Montana 3650 RK with the Artic Insulation Package, and was wondering if anyone ahd information on weatehr the holding tanks and water lines were insulated with that. I would like to do some camping in the winter, and here in New York, it gets pretty cold, and I am worring about the lines and/or holding tanks freezing.

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Old 10-05-2004, 01:39 AM   #2
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Arctic insullation means a layer of foil bubble wrap between the frame rails. It does not extend to the outside of the coach. The steel I beams form the end of the tank spaces. They are not insulated. The low point drains are where we froze up. I pulled two 20 foot lenghts of pipe out of the underbelly and routed the water directly into the basement... avoiding the underbelly completely. I also installed a tank space temperature sensor. The furnace heats the tank spaces enough to keep them ice free to about 0F.... but you have to run the furnace.... you can't use electric.

The furnace will drain your battery in about 7 hours.... 30 pounds of propane will last 2 or 3 days. If you have a place to plug in Lowes will sell you a 100lb tank for about $80.00... one of those last about 7 days.
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Old 10-05-2004, 08:03 AM   #3
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Don't forget to insulate the space with the tank valve pull-handles: I accidentally forgot to lock ours (at -25F) and, after that, had to find a warm area in which to defrost the black tank valve which froze up when the door fell open.

If you don't have an electrical source, make sure that you recharge your battery[ies] since the furnace control circuits require 12V.

Last year we spent about a month in N. MN with temps below 32F and weeks below 0F and were quite comfortable.
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Old 10-05-2004, 10:32 AM   #4
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I agree ...the low point is where you would usually have the most problems. artic insulation doesn't mean you can just assume no problems, don't get me wrong....if you know what your doing and are prepared...then you can really enjoy yourself.
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Old 10-05-2004, 11:49 AM   #5
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Thanks for the posting. Some very good ideas were presented. Happyrving.....
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Old 10-08-2004, 07:08 AM   #6
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Thanks for all the tips guys.
I will be where there are full hookups, so I shouldnt have to worry about the battery dying.
Thanks Again.
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Old 10-08-2004, 07:55 PM   #7
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I'm going to add something here even though I have never been in freezing weather with any of our 5ers. I did live in a mobile home in Upstate New York (30 below). Here are a few tricks I learned besides the heat tapes. We kept a light bulb burning (an old lamp without shade) at the bottom of the washer (in the garage) and at the spigot of the fuel oil tank (to keep it from congeling). So if you have a low exposed spot this could work. My best friend was my hair dryer. I had a couple of cold spots - water inlet to toilet and my drain hose - that always froze. A few minutes with the hair dryer and all was well.
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Old 10-09-2004, 10:17 PM   #8
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Thanks Ed and Sue. We also find the hair dryer to be a lifesaver in the winter.
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Old 10-29-2004, 09:43 PM   #9
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Arctic Package on these Keystones has nothing to do with insulation! I think instead it means "guaranteed to freeze you out."
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