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Old 03-19-2017, 07:29 PM   #41
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A lot of money for the diff????? Last time I looked there was about $750 difference and you get over 1000 lbs more pin. It really is a no brainer if you haven't got the truck yet. Get the 350, the 250 you are way over. I have the HC and was over by a bunch. The 350 srw will work fine the 350 drw will be even better when driving. Yep you might have to walk a little bit more when going to the store.
Read the post. He already had a 2015 2500. To trade it in just to get a different sticker and a 3 instead of a 2 is a lot of money IMO. If you are going to go dually then I could understand.
 
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:45 PM   #42
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Also the rear axle ratings are different on 2500 and 3500 (850 pounds to be exact). You can read the manuals if you like. Regarding the airbags it is about $400 and an hour or two of work (not a big deal if necessary).
My 2500 has a GAWR of 6500 lbs. I thought the 3500 was 7000 lbs. If that's true that only adds up to 500 lbs difference. Am I wrong? If you use GAWR as your limiting factor you are not going to be able to carry much more.
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:12 PM   #43
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http://https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/Chevrolet/northamerica/usa/nscwebsite/en/Home/Vehicles/Trucks%20and%20Vans/2015_Silverado_2500hd/Model_Overview/01_images/2015-silverado-hd-catalog-hires.pdf

Pg 26 bottom right chart. 6200 vs 7050. That is 850.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:07 AM   #44
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Read the post. He already had a 2015 2500. To trade it in just to get a different sticker and a 3 instead of a 2 is a lot of money IMO. If you are going to go dually then I could understand.
LOL you might want to go back and read the post yourself, he had a 2012 and it was a ford not chevy. Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers sorry for that. All I was saying is there is a difference in the F-250 and the F-350 SRW and that is the Pin and for and extra $750 bucks get the F-350. I made the same mistake getting the F-250 and it costs me several 1000 bucks to get what was right. A Montana like he is talking about is way to heavy for a 250. Yes it has plenty of motor with the 6.7 but not enough axle on the rear end or Pin. Just my opinion by the numbers.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:34 AM   #45
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Well all I can say Buckeye83 is you are likely going to be disappointed going from your 2015 2500 with air bags to your 3500 srw if you are expecting a handling difference as they are essentially the same truck in everyway other than two extra rear helper springs. A good friend of mine did the same thing last summer and he wish's he had his 2500hd with the airbags back as it handled his 39ft Titanium better than the 3500hd without. He had to add the airbags to get the 3500hd back handling the same. Pretty expensive upgrade for a sticker on the door in my view and his........

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LOL you might want to go back and read the post yourself, he had a 2012 and it was a ford not chevy. Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers sorry for that. All I was saying is there is a difference in the F-250 and the F-350 SRW and that is the Pin and for and extra $750 bucks get the F-350. I made the same mistake getting the F-250 and it costs me several 1000 bucks to get what was right. A Montana like he is talking about is way to heavy for a 250.
This is the post I quoted and the the one I commented to. Read this one.
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Yes it has plenty of motor with the 6.7 but not enough axle on the rear end or Pin. Just my opinion by the numbers.
The 2500 has the same axle, same frame, same brakes and same runninggear as the 3500. Other than the sticker there is no advantage in a 3500 SRW. Like I said " A lot of money for a different sticker. This would also applyto the ops f250/f350 question. You have to remember there is a difference between ability and manufactures ratings.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:33 AM   #46
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:50 PM   #47
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Well all I can say Buckeye83 is you are likely going to be disappointed going from your 2015 2500 with air bags to your 3500 srw if you are expecting a handling difference as they are essentially the same truck in everyway other than two extra rear helper springs. A good friend of mine did the same thing last summer and he wish's he had his 2500hd with the airbags back as it handled his 39ft Titanium better than the 3500hd without. He had to add the airbags to get the 3500hd back handling the same. Pretty expensive upgrade for a sticker on the door in my view and his........

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This is the post I quoted and the the one I commented to. Read this one.
The 2500 has the same axle, same frame, same brakes and same runninggear as the 3500. Other than the sticker there is no advantage in a 3500 SRW. Like I said " A lot of money for a different sticker. This would also applyto the ops f250/f350 question. You have to remember there is a difference between ability and manufactures ratings.
Yep you are right there is no difference except in the numbers and the 2" spacer, with the F-350 there is about an extra 1000 lbs of pin which is a lot and he wouldn't have to worry about the weight police LOL. The cost between the 250 and the 350 is very little. Anyway I think you get my point. I made the mistake of getting truck before the 5er and decided that I might go bigger on the 5er some day and so when I did get a different truck I got something I didn't have to worry about if I did want ( or she wants who am I kidding lol) a bigger 5er. It ended up costing me a lot of money but I don't have to worry about going out west and like having some meat under me. All good here have a great day.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:39 PM   #48
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Yep you are right there is no difference except in the numbers and the 2" spacer, with the F-350 there is about an extra 1000 lbs of pin which is a lot and he wouldn't have to worry about the weight police LOL. The cost between the 250 and the 350 is very little. Anyway I think you get my point. I made the mistake of getting truck before the 5er and decided that I might go bigger on the 5er some day and so when I did get a different truck I got something I didn't have to worry about if I did want ( or she wants who am I kidding lol) a bigger 5er. It ended up costing me a lot of money but I don't have to worry about going out west and like having some meat under me. All good here have a great day.
Ya but he already has a 2012 F250. To trade it in for a F350 just to get a sticker with a higher rating is going to cost him a bunch when you really don't gain anything. If he didn't have a PU and was trying to decide which way to go I would agree with you. The difference in cost then would be very little.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:56 AM   #49
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There is no difference between the F250 or the F350 except the blocks in the rear end. Both come with a 10,000 payload in the SRW configuration. It gets different when you go DRW then you can get the 11,000 payload. I did lots of research when I got my truck and found this out. You can go on the Ford website and there are spec sheets you can look at. Kind of confusing because when you start adding options than you eat into that 10,000 payload rather quickly. You really need to check the sticker on the actual truck before you buy it to make sure it can handle the load. Now the F350 may be able to tow a heavier trailer than the F250. The brakes may be larger on the F350 but the payload will be the same.
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Is is about controlling and stopping the rig and not if you can get it going down the road. 2000 lbs+ pin weight and after its loaded up with your personal things you can be close to the 17000lbs+ weight. Real scary if you have to bring it under control. I agree with Tlightening you should be in the dually area. But its not written in stone. But your call and your responsibility for the safety of your rig.
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Old 03-28-2017, 06:30 PM   #51
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Found this on YouTube: Addresses this topic.
What blew it for me is this guy said," what you can pull "legally". There is no law for non commercial towing of being legal. Anyone can be sued for anything. As far as being over weight, the actual complaint in a lawsut would have to prove who is at fault. Just being overweight does not mean the rver is automatically at fault. As far as registration, Nevada says pickups are to be registered like vans, station wagons and passenger cars. The ONLY time weightis declared is for commercial purposes..I'm under Gcvw by 3000 lbs, over gvwr by 200 lbs, over rawr by 100 lbs, but still under tire weight ratings...No worry. If I were over bymore than 1000 lbs, then I'd worry..
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Old 03-29-2017, 10:56 AM   #52
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There is no difference between the F250 or the F350 except the blocks in the rear end. Both come with a 10,000 payload in the SRW configuration. It gets different when you go DRW then you can get the 11,000 payload. I did lots of research when I got my truck and found this out.
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I think you might want to check your research. There are differences between the F250 and F350. The 2" v. 4" blocks are not it. All SRW Fxxx models come with 2" blocks if they are 2WD and 4" blocks if they are 4WD. The F250 SRW has a maximum of 10K GVWR. The F350 SRW has a max GVRW of 11,500 lbs (I have one). There is an option to get an F350 SRW de-rated to 10K, same truck as the 11.5K one, which is intended for markets where licensing of the larger capacity is an issue.

The F350 has an extra spring and heaver rated tires than a F250.
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So my dealer sent me a letter offering an appraisal/trade in special with the incentives running. I went there today and got a price to trade my 2015 CC SRW 2500hd Silverado LTZ in on a 2017 CC SRW 3500HD Silverado Special Edition with same pkg as I have on my LTZ currently which is fully loaded. $7000 difference taxes in to trade, took a new one for a ride, really like the steering assist at low speeds, like the exhaust brake aggression, otherwise seems about the same. So left dealer and came home to ponder, pulled out cargo & towing capacity spec's for my 2015 vs the new 2017 towing spec;s for the 3500hd. Shocked is what I was, the new 3500hd has 100lbs more towing capacity at 17,200 for a 5th wheel vs the 2015 2500hd's 17,100lbs. The cargo capacity is 3927 on the 2017 3500hd and on the 2015 2500hd it is right around 2800lbs. So went and looked at 2016 Chev HD spec's and low and behold they were less than both the 2015 & 2017........ huh guess that adds a new wrinkle to the whole weight thing..... specially when nothing really changed....
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I think you might want to check your research. There are differences between the F250 and F350. The 2" v. 4" blocks are not it. All SRW Fxxx models come with 2" blocks if they are 2WD and 4" blocks if they are 4WD. The F250 SRW has a maximum of 10K GVWR. The F350 SRW has a max GVRW of 11,500 lbs (I have one). There is an option to get an F350 SRW de-rated to 10K, same truck as the 11.5K one, which is intended for markets where licensing of the larger capacity is an issue.

The F350 has an extra spring and heaver rated tires than a F250.
That's the way I understand the difference between the F250 / F350. My F350 2012 is 11500 GVW. My Montana Mountaineer is Rated at 14,000 GVW. If my Montana was heavier I would defiantly step up to a F350 DRW. A matter of safety.
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F3fifty...there is no relationship between your truck's GVWR and the RV's GVWR. Key items for 5th wheel computations are pin weight and GCWR. The problem with the 250/2500 trucks (diesels) is they are within GCWR limits, but over pin weight (truck GVWR).

Actual tow capacity...GCWR minus the tow vehicle's actual weight when ready to tow.
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The point I was trying to make is that the manufactures change the capacities both for towing and for cargo on a whim from year to year on essentially the exact same truck with the exact same equipment, drive train and parts. It create lots of confusion for people or perspective owners and I suspect it has a lot more to do with pushing vehicle sales than it does to do with safety or vehicle capabilities. When these numbers move that much how can anyone take their ratings as anything but a guide. In regard to legalities it would completely muddy the waters in court I suspect if the issue ever came up... According to the spec's for my 2015 cc srw 2500hd chevy I have plenty of room on the towing chart and the capacity of the truck is right at the limit pin weight wise and can move up or down from rated limits depending upon moving a couple things. The observations of these ratings over 3 manufacturing yrs is really surprizing, I also expected the new 2017 Chevy/GMC ratings to go up considering the upgrades to the hp & torque ratings but they didn't ????
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Speedster100 do a Google search for, tow limits finally pass the sniff test. I think you will see DRW trucks have a higher tow limit because they are held to a lower standard, trucks haft to be able to stop in a straight line in the Walmart parking lot not at interstate speeds and lots of stuff that means almost nothing about safety pulling a camper at speed. The tow limits were set up by a committee of the manufacturers and it seams every body got something they wonted.
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Specs set on a "whim"...tort lawyers salivating.
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So how does a manufacturer set the towing/capacity rates ? What's the criteria difference on the exact same truck but a year apart ??? Same equipment, same everything yet thousands of pounds difference ? Makes no sense ............
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Speedster100 all I can say is google, tow limits finally pass the sniff test. And yes I think tow limits are so much BS.
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