New GMC Sierra

[denandannie]

Just took delivery on a 2015 Silverado 3500, duramax, 4x4, long bed, crew cab, LTZ. Same as yours, just a better looking grill. Lots of electronics to learn. Can't wait to get the Pullrite under bed hitch mount installed so we can give the beast a run.

[jlb27537]

Interesting read here for all the GM guys.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/63-...t-duramax.html

Then I went and read this: You just can not win

http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/...istics-451625/

Just glad I got a '12 Cummins with no DEF.

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by jlb27537

Interesting read here for all the GM guys.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/63-...t-duramax.html

Then I went and read this: You just can not win

http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/...istics-451625/

Just glad I got a '12 Cummins with no DEF.

Yeah because Rams never have any problems, do they?

[jlb27537]

quote:Originally posted by Tom S.

Yeah because Rams never have any problems, do they?

Yes Rams do have issues, but most are owner induced. Like tuners making more power than the head bolts or trannys were designed to handle.

[worknomore]

Since that post on dieselplace concerning DEF/Duramax mentioned above by jlb27537 is over a year old & concerning a 2011 engine, anyone with a 2012 or newer truck should take it with a grain of salt (IMHO)...

Anyone buying ANY make of NEW diesel - consumer OR commercial - has no choice as far as DEF is concerned. Ya just gotta live with it. Problems with ALL diesels (or gassers) are both 'owner induced' AND factory produced - RAM's included...

[mail2us]

Tks for the balance Jim.

[Willy Bee]

That is a great xmas present you got yourself. I got the new Montana for my xmas give.

[Eskimo]

I factory ordered a 2015 GMC 3500 Sierra SLT Duramax crew cab just before Christmas. Should take delivery in mid February. Got every option except the sunroof. I couldn't justify the extra cost for the Denali, so I'll put that $ toward the hitch. Glad we bought the fiver first, then the truck. The 3500 was only around $1000 more than the 2500. The extra payload capacity of the one ton made this an easy and justifiable decision. (As a fellow member here told me, it's better to have too much truck). The "irridium" paint colour we chose will be a good match to our new High Country. Even better......we're at about the mid point of winter, getting ever closer to camping season,

[TAKPAK]

It was interesting when we started looking for the truck. For what I wanted, the one we found was the ONLY one like it in a 300 mile range. Lots of dual rears, lots of crew cabs, lots of "construction grade" rigs. This was the only one with the SLT package, single rear wheels, and the biggee.....the new "double cab" unit. Basically, it's the same as our old "extended cab" unit, except the second set of doors swing the same way as the main doors. Plus there is now a pillar between the doors, which according to my friend in the repair business, gives the cab more strength. I too did NOT want to spend the extra $10K for the Denali, just to get more "fluff" on the rig. The SLT has everything I need. I know I'm going to love the exhaust brake. Now all I've got to do is figure out all the buttons....! For the first time, I also do not have a white truck, it is called "stealth gray metallic" and I like it. So far so good.....

[Tom S.]

I really wanted a Denali - to the point the GMC dealer was the first place I went early last year when the pricing first became available. Unfortunately, they proceeded to insult me when I asked about trade in. That, coupled with the fact that I had gotten lukewarm customer service from them drove (pun intended) me back to the Chevy dealer. The only option I wanted that Chevy didn't offer was the heated steering wheel. But I have lots of gloves! I would have also liked to had the new style towing mirrors they came out with mid year, but not enough to pay $800 to add them now.

[TAKPAK]

[quote]Originally posted by Tom S.

I really wanted a Denali - to the point the GMC dealer was the first place I went early last year when the pricing first became available. Unfortunately, they proceeded to insult me when I asked about trade in. That, coupled with the fact that I had gotten lukewarm customer service from them drove (pun intended) me back to the Chevy dealer. The only option I wanted that Chevy didn't offer was the heated steering wheel. But I have lots of gloves! I would have also liked to had the new style towing mirrors they came out with mid year, but not enough to pay $800 to add them now.

That's really too bad they treated you that way. My GMC dealer fell all over themselves to make sure I had a good experience. And they gave me a deal that I just couldn't turn down, quite a bit below what I was prepared to pay. I would have liked the newer (after August) mirrors, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. The truck had absolutely everything else I wanted, and then some. I didn't even bother with a trade in, never have. Always sell my old one to a private party, in this case a friend of mine who is getting his first fifth wheel and needed a good truck to pull it. The 2008 only had 70,000 miles on it.

[jlb27537]

quote:Originally posted by worknomore

Since that post on dieselplace concerning DEF/Duramax mentioned above by jlb27537 is over a year old & concerning a 2011 engine, anyone with a 2012 or newer truck should take it with a grain of salt (IMHO)...

The referenced post was started in 2011 and the last post was in December 2014. Thus the issues that were there in 2011 were still there in 2014

[worknomore]

quote:Originally posted by jlb27537

The referenced post was started in 2011 and the last post was in December 2014. Thus the issues that were there in 2011 were still there in 2014

And I quote from the article: 'The truck was otherwise wonderful, but who can live with this seemingly unsolvable problem in the 2011 Duramax?'

'Nuff said. The article was obviously written by a disgruntled owner, not an expert, who probably wouldn't be happy with any make he bought and thus should be taken with a grain of salt.

My point is there are problems with all makes, & they are NOT all 'owner induced'. ALL 3 are GOOD trucks, & purchase decisions should be based on personal likes/dislikes - not some irate owner of brand X. Those are FACTS from someone with 39 years experience at GM Powertrain Engineering.

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by jlb27537

The referenced post was started in 2011 and the last post was in December 2014. Thus the issues that were there in 2011 were still there in 2014

But they were still related to a 2011 issue. If Brand X builds a product in 2000 that has an issue with the muffler bearings, it will still be an issue with the 2000 product in 2015, but it doesn't mean it's an issue for the 2001 through 2015 models. That's the point Jim was trying to make (I think).

[Rondo]

Tom-- Does your Silverado have muffler bearings too? I just found mine the other day while adding the DEF! Kind of like sending the new guy in the shop to the tool crib for a left hand torque wrench, huh?!!?

[jlb27537]

Worknomore Jim. Are you the guy that came up with the 200 tranny in the late 70's with the sheet metal clutch packs?

I retired as a retail parts and service guy and saw all the stuff GM was doing from '72-'87. I saw in '96 (350)the same main bearing knock because of .003+" on mains. We had the same knock back in the '70's on the 305's.

Sorry, I made excuses on the service drive for years about the air lock on the 454 lifters,(yea we fixed it by drilling out the freeze plugs in the lifter galleys) the wonderful Vega engine, the headgaskets leaking antifreese into the oil on the Pontiac 400 taking out the cam bearings, the 8-6-4 in '81, the mis welded C body frames causing driveline vibrations, the 4100L engine leaking thru the casting, the 4100L engine with the crank that was not de-flashed by either Saginaw or Livionia. The fuel pump on the B body with the bladder that just did not work causing fuel rail hum. I could go on, but you get my point.

I will give credit to GM for their muffler bearings, I never saw one go bad, leak, cause a vibration or fade in direct sunlight.

No one is perfect, but asking me, the taxpayer to save a company from it's self....

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by jlb27537



No one is perfect, but asking me, the taxpayer to save a company from it's self....

Well, if you want to bring that crap up again, let's see if we can set it straight.... AGAIN.

The government bail out of GM saved US taxpayers a lot more than it cost. This isn't me talking, it's the Wall Street Journal who said the cost of jobs lost, both at GM and the ripple effect on its suppliers and dealers would total well over 1 million people, thereby driving up unemployment costs, welfare costs, and medical costs. Those costs, WSJ and other publications since, would have vastly eclipsed what the bailout ended up actually costing after a large portion of money lent to GM (and Chrysler) was paid back.

Some people just can't let things go. And if you want to hear about some of the fiascoes carried out by Chrysler, I can have a friend come on here and make a post that will take you days to read. Let's not forget, the government had to come to their aid twice.

Now can we let this matter go?

[worknomore]

Tom/jlb27537 -

I agree with Tom - let's just agree to disagree and drop it before this get's anymore personal than it just has...

[astrungis]

If you read the internet as I have, you will see the problems concerning the 2011+ diesels requiring the DPF / DEF systems. In particular, the 2011 Duramax. I hit the brick wall @ 63K miles. That is I get the constant "Poor Quality DEF - See Owner's Manual" message. The dealer has no idea how to fix it but do a "regen" and go through a checklist. I have been through 3 cycles already. If you don't address it, the truck goes into a "limp mode" of 4 mph! Know what a "regen" is? the system sends a gallon of diesel fuel into the DPF and sets it on fire to burn all the soot out! Great system?!

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by astrungis

If you read the internet as I have, you will see the problems concerning the 2011+ diesels requiring the DPF / DEF systems. In particular, the 2011 Duramax. I hit the brick wall @ 63K miles. That is I get the constant "Poor Quality DEF - See Owner's Manual" message. The dealer has no idea how to fix it but do a "regen" and go through a checklist. I have been through 3 cycles already. If you don't address it, the truck goes into a "limp mode" of 4 mph! Know what a "regen" is? the system sends a gallon of diesel fuel into the DPF and sets it on fire to burn all the soot out! Great system?!

The 2011 system injected diesel up stream from the DPF. That has long since been changed to inject it at the DPF, and to my knowledge has eliminated the problems experienced by folks like yourself. Some in your position have deleted the system altogether.