No need for dual pane windows?

[richfaa]

There is a great deal of merit to what sky has heard and has passed on. I could find nowhere in the Keystone site any spec's on the dual pane windows as to there R or U value.. I would think that if they were good they would PR the heck out of them. They do not even tell us what they are filled with. Even tho they are dual pane they seem to me to be so thin as to do little good. Now we here in Northeren, Ohio we have dual pane windows and there is no question as to the value.but there is a huge difference in the window.... here is another site that speaks to the efficiency of dual pane windows.

http://www.nfrc.org/documents/U-Fact...0r%20factor%22



Rich& Helen N.Ridgeville,Ohio.

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[Cat320]

Does anybody know how much the dual pane window option weighs?

[Wrenchtraveller]

I did the math a while back and I figured my 2955RL's dual pane windows add about 300 pounds at the very most. I weighed a house window and then figured the sq feet of glass on my Monty.

Don & Donna
Vancouver Island
2005 Ford F350 V10 Lariat CC 4x4 LB SRW 11200 GVWR
2006 Montana 2955RL
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[David and Jo-Anna]

"Sky"--What you heard from your Montana source is similar to what a regional sales guy at Montana told me back in July when I called to ask about the weight of various options. He indicated that the R value of the dual pane windows was about 1.5 and he tried to discourage me from getting the dual panes in response to my suggestion that the limited carrying capacity of the 3400 was going to discourage me from buying it. I'm not offering my opinion about the pros or cons of dual panes--just reporting the discouraging words of this Montana salesman--and we all know the value we place on what a salesman says.

David and Jo-Anna Kikel

[Native Tex]

We have decided that if we do go full time at some point in the future we will have to upgrade to a newer Monty with the dual pain. That is about the only thing we did not get on the '05 only due to the fact the one we got was on the dealers lot. I would agree they will help in the long run; just don't try to rationalize the cost of the upgrade to any short term savings. It would have to be a long-term consideration for full-timers.

Native Tex

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[David and Jo-Anna]

Native Tex--did you mean to say pain instead of pane, or was that a Freudian slip? LOL!!!

David and Jo-Anna Kikel

[dsprik]

ALRIGHT! That's TWO of us that thinks that dual pane windows - of any dimensions - is worth it! Thanks O.V.! It's you and me against the world!!!

OK. OK... I got carried away. I was ready to drive this thing back down to the dealership and demand they give me my money back for those windows. I know all you guys would have been right behind me with your pitchforks and torches...

Maybe I'll wait a little on that...

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[richfaa]

It has been our long time dream to be in a place that did not require snow blowers, snow shovels, chains on your tires,ice melt for your front stoop, dual pane windows... etc..we will be in that place...

Rich& Helen N.Ridgeville,Ohio.

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[Leaseit]

RV shows this weekend in Atlanta. I happened to stop by for a pre look before tomorrow when the better half and i will be attending. Just so happens there was a Keystone-Montana rep from the Factory there. Tomorrow is his unlucky day. Hope he has done his homework on Single Vs Dual pane windows, R valuses, Weight UV ratings.

[Wrenchtraveller]

I like my DP windows. Would not want to be without them and you can't get them on most other Keystone brands. They give Montana owners a choice. I like that, so if Keystone wants me to buy another Montana someday, they better keep offering DP as an option.

Don & Donna
Vancouver Island
2005 Ford F350 V10 Lariat CC 4x4 LB SRW 11200 GVWR
2006 Montana 2955RL
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[Ozz]

[quote]Originally posted by Wrenchtraveller

I like my DP windows. Would not want to be without them and you can't get them on most other Keystone brands. They give Montana owners a choice. I like that, so if Keystone wants me to buy another Montana someday, they better keep offering DP as an option.

Yea, what he said!
Ozz

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[dsprik]

So, Ozz... You, as an HVAC preofessional/expert endorse these RV dual panes as being worth the extra cost and extra weight?

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[Cat320]

A lot of the DP issue is where you live/camp. Wrenchtraveller is in Canada...I'd have 'em there, but don't need 'em here.

[Ozz]

Dsprik,
As far as endorsing them, Only if the insulating value is good enough, it surprises me that the information that has been posted shows so little improvement. I, as an end user want them, (mine has them) but, I haven't been out in my Monte to give any feedback. I remember vividly sitting in our previous RV, a Keystone Sprinter, sitting on the couch feeling the cold roll off the window next to me. I hope this new baby will be better with the double pane.
(I also hope I won't need them, like many others, can you say Tucson and RGV?)
Thanks for asking my humble opinion.
Ozz

'07 3400RL 2nd RTU
2 Golf Cart batteries 3,000 watt inverter, automatic transfer switch
Honda 2000 Generator, Maytag's with 220 Dryer
Stationary domed Sat. dish, LCD 12 Volt Amp gauge, LCD Tank Monitor
3 added 120 volt outlets, On Board Air; 12 Volt Viair 450C compressor
2006 Ford PSD 4x4 Off Road Lariat, Hadley Air Horns, Truck inverter with 110 volts: laptop, Color Backup camera, Firestone air bags,Husky air ride roller hitch, Awning lock

[Wrenchtraveller]

I used to ski a lot when I was young. We took our truck campers up to Mount Washington, Banff and other ski resorts. The campers with single pane windows were drafty. In 02 I bought an Okanagan camper with double pane windows. Huge improvement. I was sold, I will never own an RV without them.

I don't care what brochures, salesmen, or someone's brother in law says about them. I want them and I am not alone. They increase resale immensely up in Canada. Most people want them.

The real thrust of my earlier post was how nice it is to have a choice and I hope Keystone keeps offering them even if they cut into the Montana's payload.

Don & Donna
Vancouver Island
2005 Ford F350 V10 Lariat CC 4x4 LB SRW 11200 GVWR
2006 Montana 2955RL
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[Leaseit]

Hit the show in North Atlanta today and cornered the District Sales Mahager from Keystone for Montana.. His answers were The dual Panes offer about a 2.0 R valuse and provide some noise reduction. The weight he said was somethign over 200 pounds, but said unless your going to do a lot of camping in places like the Mexican Baha, then he said go for the 2nd A/C unit. The heating BTU of the furnace is more than enough to keep the unit heated don to Zero with the Arctic Package. Its more of a personnel choice unless your doing desert or North slope camping in winter.
Hope this info might help.

[sreigle]

Thanks for the info, Leaseit. We've been very comfortable using the furnace down to five below zero (F) so agree with what was said. We do dress more warmly than in summer. Same as we did in our stick home days. We sometimes augment with electric heaters but that's to help propane usage, not because the furnace needs any help.

I'm still wondering if we should have gone with the dual panes.

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[Montana Sky]

Steve,
I really think you are going to be very happy with your single pane windows. I feel the winter is going to be your concern, but as you have done in the past, space heaters will solve that issue. I am curious to see if you end up going with a 2nd a/c for your new 3400RL next summer??


2004 Chevy Silverado LT 2500HD CrewCab Duramax
2004 Montana 3400RL

[sreigle]

Space heaters and clear film on the outside of the windows, Dave.

Probably not on the 2nd AC. We don't intend to be here in August in the future. This year is an anomaly. Too many parks charge extra if you have a 2nd AC and I don't want to pay it since we'd really rarely ever need the 2nd one. If we find we really do need it then we'll get it.

I hope your trip continues to go well.

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Fulltiming since 3/21/03
'03 3295RK
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[RC and Samantha]

We have the dual paned windows and have not had any problems at all and we had our Montana delivered in October of 2002. If we ever get to upgrade to a newer Montana it will have dual paned windows again. It helps in the winter for heat, the summer to keep the camper cooler and the differnce in regards to sounds both heard inside the camper or outside are remarkable. Really helps so people outside can't hear me yell at RC.



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