Jim,
Get a VIP-211K with ACS Tuner, add USB disk drive like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Porta...USB+DISK+DRIVE
Pay one time DVR fee ($39.99) and you can record Sat prog, or off air or both at same time (1 sat and 1 off air at same time).
There is also a VIP-222K which has two Sat Turners in it (can record two programs at once). With Travel Mate antennas (multiple LNB) but not with signal LNB dishs like Carry Out or Tailgater.